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OBS branch with AMD VCE support.
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Benman2785
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@jackun no i use the latest driver + AMF and not OVE (because with latest driver it wouldnt work anymore)
iPicPeriod has impact on how steady video quality is - i can show you some vids of Dying Light with ipp at 6 or at 0 -> you will clearly see that if it's set to 6 (forced I-Frames every 6 frame) it's much more stable in quality for the same scene as if its set to 0 -> it wont jump that much between minQP and maxQP -> and that could only mean it has an i-frame to refer to and that "I Pic Period" still works in AMF
ps it would be great if you would join OBS Studio Devs to impliment a working AMD VCE ;)
iPicPeriod has impact on how steady video quality is - i can show you some vids of Dying Light with ipp at 6 or at 0 -> you will clearly see that if it's set to 6 (forced I-Frames every 6 frame) it's much more stable in quality for the same scene as if its set to 0 -> it wont jump that much between minQP and maxQP -> and that could only mean it has an i-frame to refer to and that "I Pic Period" still works in AMF
ps it would be great if you would join OBS Studio Devs to impliment a working AMD VCE ;)
Benman2785
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I was using OBS-Studio + AMF VCE in Win8.1 and worked pretty fine recording 1080@60fps videos there with my GCN 1.1. Then decided move on to Windows 10 and just discovered now same AMF VCE cant do 1080@60fps anymore, i'm limited at 1080@30fps now.
Why same game with same OBS-Studio codec version can do 1080@60fps at Windows 8.1 but cannot at Windows 10?
The strange thing is than video playback has a steady 60fps, but the screen scene is running worse than slideshow with lots of frame skipping. With OBS1 Jackun VCE in Win10 at 60fps its running much better with steady 60fps too but scene screen has some small frame skipping. But Jackun VCE is almost there like AMF VCE in Win8.1
Why same game with same OBS-Studio codec version can do 1080@60fps at Windows 8.1 but cannot at Windows 10?
The strange thing is than video playback has a steady 60fps, but the screen scene is running worse than slideshow with lots of frame skipping. With OBS1 Jackun VCE in Win10 at 60fps its running much better with steady 60fps too but scene screen has some small frame skipping. But Jackun VCE is almost there like AMF VCE in Win8.1
Benman2785
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@chummy
OBS VCE (jackun) is different to OBS Studio AMD VCE Encoder
if using 1080p60 with jackun's OBS VCE you should set it to Balanced or Speed // you can also add some nice custom settings to improve video quality and smoothness
ps you CANT stream with OBS Studio VCE -> HIGH peaks result in dropped frames (https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/obs-studio-amd-vce-bitrate-problem.45454/)
pps you CAN stream with OBS VCE (jackun) -> with good settings you get a really good quality with no dropped frames (720p60 is possible on twitch)
OBS VCE (jackun) is different to OBS Studio AMD VCE Encoder
if using 1080p60 with jackun's OBS VCE you should set it to Balanced or Speed // you can also add some nice custom settings to improve video quality and smoothness
ps you CANT stream with OBS Studio VCE -> HIGH peaks result in dropped frames (https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/obs-studio-amd-vce-bitrate-problem.45454/)
pps you CAN stream with OBS VCE (jackun) -> with good settings you get a really good quality with no dropped frames (720p60 is possible on twitch)
Benman2785
I know about the difference in Studio vs OBS1 VCE branches. If you read my post you see i separate the experience i got with both versions. I dont stream, only record local and always use performance presets since i use higher bitrate to keep quality.
OBS1 Jackun VCE output laggish/frameskipping 1080p@60fps both in Win8.1 or Win10.
OBS-Studio VCE is capable to output very nice 1080p@60fps in Win8.1, but in Win10 it just become worse than Jackun version.
Tht's just not understable why Studio downgrade performance with Win10, and yet why Jackun branch is not capable to reach Studio VCE branch performance from Win8.1.
I know about the difference in Studio vs OBS1 VCE branches. If you read my post you see i separate the experience i got with both versions. I dont stream, only record local and always use performance presets since i use higher bitrate to keep quality.
OBS1 Jackun VCE output laggish/frameskipping 1080p@60fps both in Win8.1 or Win10.
OBS-Studio VCE is capable to output very nice 1080p@60fps in Win8.1, but in Win10 it just become worse than Jackun version.
Tht's just not understable why Studio downgrade performance with Win10, and yet why Jackun branch is not capable to reach Studio VCE branch performance from Win8.1.
Benman2785
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@chummy -> first ever use @ before username so i get a mail
and you didnt followed my link - it says that OBS Studio is under development
AND you didnt understand to use SPEED or BALANCED as custom settings in AMD VCE Encoder tab of OBS VCE jackun ->
AND then change IDR Period to 120
so you JUST CLICK on Speed (works best in 1080p60 for up to GCN 1.1) OR Balanced (also works in 1080p60) AND change IDR Period to 120 - if you rec with 60fps
maybe use I Pic Period of 6 or 10 or 15 (or 0) and DONT CHANGE SETTINGS below (under) DEVICE TOPOLOGY ID after you pressed Speed or Balanced
USE a GOP of 30 -> if you take 60 your GPU has to much load // and if you play your game on Ultra please reduce some detail = high looks usually also pretty nice and will allow your gpu more resources for doing its magic :)
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they use different ways to do their magic // on the very last page before its also written WHY
ps jackuns way is MUCH better (yet) - but you have to know what you are doing -> what you clearly dont :p
pps WHY CANT YOU READ THE VERY FIRST POST AND FOCUS THE FIRST BOLD WRITTEN TEXT?
ppps -> its ok - thats why i made a picture for you :p
and you didnt followed my link - it says that OBS Studio is under development
AND you didnt understand to use SPEED or BALANCED as custom settings in AMD VCE Encoder tab of OBS VCE jackun ->
AND then change IDR Period to 120
so you JUST CLICK on Speed (works best in 1080p60 for up to GCN 1.1) OR Balanced (also works in 1080p60) AND change IDR Period to 120 - if you rec with 60fps
maybe use I Pic Period of 6 or 10 or 15 (or 0) and DONT CHANGE SETTINGS below (under) DEVICE TOPOLOGY ID after you pressed Speed or Balanced
USE a GOP of 30 -> if you take 60 your GPU has to much load // and if you play your game on Ultra please reduce some detail = high looks usually also pretty nice and will allow your gpu more resources for doing its magic :)
//
they use different ways to do their magic // on the very last page before its also written WHY
ps jackuns way is MUCH better (yet) - but you have to know what you are doing -> what you clearly dont :p
pps WHY CANT YOU READ THE VERY FIRST POST AND FOCUS THE FIRST BOLD WRITTEN TEXT?
ppps -> its ok - thats why i made a picture for you :p
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@Benman2785
Of course i know what you mean, when i say performance(Speed) preset. I already unchecked every box there to try it but yet dont achieve the smooth from StudioVCE@Win8.1.
Jackun VCE output is becoming with frameskipping/choppy playback, but already has better results than before.
Game quality not justify to not achieve 1080p@60fps with fastest Preset. StudioVCE@Win8.1 runs smooth and with heaviest games at max settings like GTA 5, BF4, Witcher 3 and so on.
But Studio VCE thing is strange, for me looks them using some Speed Preset in Win8.1 while in Win10 it's using something like Quality preset.
Of course i know what you mean, when i say performance(Speed) preset. I already unchecked every box there to try it but yet dont achieve the smooth from StudioVCE@Win8.1.
Jackun VCE output is becoming with frameskipping/choppy playback, but already has better results than before.
Game quality not justify to not achieve 1080p@60fps with fastest Preset. StudioVCE@Win8.1 runs smooth and with heaviest games at max settings like GTA 5, BF4, Witcher 3 and so on.
But Studio VCE thing is strange, for me looks them using some Speed Preset in Win8.1 while in Win10 it's using something like Quality preset.
Benman2785
Member
@chummy
main problem is the way MS Framework 4.5 works in Win8.1 and Win10 -> different way of using CPU, GPU and RAM -> there is where your different GPU-loads come from -> and that is why Studio perfoms diffferent on both OS
i will set up some settings (jackun's OBS VCE) for you and you try them ok? -> what is your card as there r many GCN 1.1 on the market -> may differ in best possible settings
and as i said the handlers work different on both OS -> so you need to reduce Quality in Game a little with Win10 if your GPU has a special kind of load -> because that is what blocks VCE full-magic
i post picture of settings in 5min
main problem is the way MS Framework 4.5 works in Win8.1 and Win10 -> different way of using CPU, GPU and RAM -> there is where your different GPU-loads come from -> and that is why Studio perfoms diffferent on both OS
i will set up some settings (jackun's OBS VCE) for you and you try them ok? -> what is your card as there r many GCN 1.1 on the market -> may differ in best possible settings
and as i said the handlers work different on both OS -> so you need to reduce Quality in Game a little with Win10 if your GPU has a special kind of load -> because that is what blocks VCE full-magic
i post picture of settings in 5min
Benman2785
Member
@chummy
set it EXACTLY to this:
that should work fine
you can also try:
can may be choppy or have high peaks
if that is choppy set I Pic Period to 0 and Num of B-Frames to 3 -> should also help with peaks
// and if you disabled ALL Options below 'Device Topology id' you also disable some that would have saved some GPU load -> this can also make it choppy -> so dont do that unless you know what u r doing
// ps i choosed GOP of 15 to reduce GPU load - but you can also use a GOP of 30 (as youtube recommend)
set it EXACTLY to this:
that should work fine
you can also try:
can may be choppy or have high peaks
if that is choppy set I Pic Period to 0 and Num of B-Frames to 3 -> should also help with peaks
// and if you disabled ALL Options below 'Device Topology id' you also disable some that would have saved some GPU load -> this can also make it choppy -> so dont do that unless you know what u r doing
// ps i choosed GOP of 15 to reduce GPU load - but you can also use a GOP of 30 (as youtube recommend)
@Benman2785
Here if you want take a look in video playback differences.
Studio VCE@Windows 8.1:
https://mega.nz/#!5M8wyRab!3cFzxETvRHZ4LUTbsuSH-TAxBKhFnRSXbp9pdjx55OM
Studio VCE@Windows 10:
https://mega.nz/#!8QsV0DJY!ScDJcVpUJv_16cHh4hDQK_obCd_9wzyB52vKNTbIw4U
Jackun OBS1-VCE@Windows 10:
https://mega.nz/#!cZsjjArR!eSnkRcaVJGlj5rpkU0GzfMGYIhKeNFI_EE5chw2_pfo
Here if you want take a look in video playback differences.
Studio VCE@Windows 8.1:
https://mega.nz/#!5M8wyRab!3cFzxETvRHZ4LUTbsuSH-TAxBKhFnRSXbp9pdjx55OM
Studio VCE@Windows 10:
https://mega.nz/#!8QsV0DJY!ScDJcVpUJv_16cHh4hDQK_obCd_9wzyB52vKNTbIw4U
Jackun OBS1-VCE@Windows 10:
https://mega.nz/#!cZsjjArR!eSnkRcaVJGlj5rpkU0GzfMGYIhKeNFI_EE5chw2_pfo
Benman2785
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true gameplay
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hey thanks for making this stuff. got a fx8320 and hd7950 and it appears streaming is even worse with this amd branch now than the default obs. i followed your instructions. whats wrong there? seems like there is too much cpu usage, but im using the same quality settings for default obs - so i cant imagine they would work not as good. its really sad that amd is not officialy supporting and developing this. it would help a lot of people and make them happy.
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true gameplay
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@chummy -> first ever use @ before username so i get a mail
and you didnt followed my link - it says that OBS Studio is under development
AND you didnt understand to use SPEED or BALANCED as custom settings in AMD VCE Encoder tab of OBS VCE jackun ->
AND then change IDR Period to 120
so you JUST CLICK on Speed (works best in 1080p60 for up to GCN 1.1) OR Balanced (also works in 1080p60) AND change IDR Period to 120 - if you rec with 60fps
maybe use I Pic Period of 6 or 10 or 15 (or 0) and DONT CHANGE SETTINGS below (under) DEVICE TOPOLOGY ID after you pressed Speed or Balanced
USE a GOP of 30 -> if you take 60 your GPU has to much load // and if you play your game on Ultra please reduce some detail = high looks usually also pretty nice and will allow your gpu more resources for doing its magic :)
//
they use different ways to do their magic // on the very last page before its also written WHY
ps jackuns way is MUCH better (yet) - but you have to know what you are doing -> what you clearly dont :p
pps WHY CANT YOU READ THE VERY FIRST POST AND FOCUS THE FIRST BOLD WRITTEN TEXT?
ppps -> its ok - thats why i made a picture for you :p
i saw you posted a lot of settings and explanations. could you or someone else summarize the essentials or the whole of it and sticky it? i think its desperately neeeded.
hello guys, looking for support
https://obsproject.com/forum/thread...mid-stream-while-playing-counterstrike.47839/
I posted in this forum section, not knowing that support for the obs branch with AMD VCE is only in this thread.
https://obsproject.com/forum/thread...mid-stream-while-playing-counterstrike.47839/
I posted in this forum section, not knowing that support for the obs branch with AMD VCE is only in this thread.
Benman2785
Member
@true gameplay
https://github.com/jackun/OBS/blob/obsvce/ObsVCE/inc/OVEncodeTypes.h -> says all you need to know about settings BUT you need some knowledge about how h264 or videoencoding works in general -> there r some sites you can google where to find about it
ps - maybe, if i have some time, i will make a tut on how to find your best settings ;)
pps - what is you upload-speed? or do you just record local?
just CHANGE AudioBitrate to 96-128 for streaming
these settings should work well for 720p30 on all cards and for most games and most "modern" internetspeeds
ppps - when you said you have high CPU-load then you definitely do something wrong -> i just have ~3-5% CPU when i capture the game and use a 720p Webcam and some pictures // if you use a CLR-Browser Overlay it cost more CPU-load (but that would also be with 'normal' OBS)
https://github.com/jackun/OBS/blob/obsvce/ObsVCE/inc/OVEncodeTypes.h -> says all you need to know about settings BUT you need some knowledge about how h264 or videoencoding works in general -> there r some sites you can google where to find about it
ps - maybe, if i have some time, i will make a tut on how to find your best settings ;)
pps - what is you upload-speed? or do you just record local?
just CHANGE AudioBitrate to 96-128 for streaming
these settings should work well for 720p30 on all cards and for most games and most "modern" internetspeeds
ppps - when you said you have high CPU-load then you definitely do something wrong -> i just have ~3-5% CPU when i capture the game and use a 720p Webcam and some pictures // if you use a CLR-Browser Overlay it cost more CPU-load (but that would also be with 'normal' OBS)
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Benman2785
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true gameplay
New Member
@true gameplay
https://github.com/jackun/OBS/blob/obsvce/ObsVCE/inc/OVEncodeTypes.h -> says all you need to know about settings BUT you need some knowledge about how h264 or videoencoding works in general -> there r some sites you can google where to find about it
ps - maybe, if i have some time, i will make a tut on how to find your best settings ;)
pps - what is you upload-speed? or do you just record local?
just CHANGE AudioBitrate to 96-128 for streaming
these settings should work well for 720p30 on all cards and for most games and most "modern" internetspeeds
ppps - when you said you have high CPU-load then you definitely do something wrong -> i just have ~3-5% CPU when i capture the game and use a 720p Webcam and some pictures // if you use a CLR-Browser Overlay it cost more CPU-load (but that would also be with 'normal' OBS)
thanks. you know i stream with 2.000-2.300kbit upload in 1080p downscaled to 720p but at 60 fps. ive tried your settings before and will try these again, but i feel the default obs codec is way more performant now.
true gameplay
New Member
@true gameplay
https://github.com/jackun/OBS/blob/obsvce/ObsVCE/inc/OVEncodeTypes.h -> says all you need to know about settings BUT you need some knowledge about how h264 or videoencoding works in general -> there r some sites you can google where to find about it
ps - maybe, if i have some time, i will make a tut on how to find your best settings ;)
pps - what is you upload-speed? or do you just record local?
just CHANGE AudioBitrate to 96-128 for streaming
these settings should work well for 720p30 on all cards and for most games and most "modern" internetspeeds
ppps - when you said you have high CPU-load then you definitely do something wrong -> i just have ~3-5% CPU when i capture the game and use a 720p Webcam and some pictures // if you use a CLR-Browser Overlay it cost more CPU-load (but that would also be with 'normal' OBS)
alright, i have tried it, it works, but gives me high cpu usage and works not as good and performant as the default obs release.
i should add that with one special game there are issues with streaming and that is rainbow six siege. ive tried playing around with the obs and r6 process priority and core affinity which helped to some extend. but where the default obs branch works now perfectly by "default" the amd branch seems to put more load on the cpu.
im using these parameters for x264 encondig in obs default:
8x8dct=1 aq-mode=2 bframes=1 chroma-qp-offset=1 colormatrix=smpte170m deblock=0:0 direct=auto ipratio=1.41 keyint=240 level=3.1 me=hex merange=16 min-keyint=auto mixed-refs=1 no-mbtree=0 partitions=i4x4,p8x8,b8x8 profile=main psy-rd=0.5:0.0 qcomp=0.6 qpmax=51 qpmin=10 qpstep=4 ratetol=10 rc-lookahead=30 ref=1 scenecut=40 subme=5 threads=0 trellis=2 weightb=1 weightp=2
obtained from here:
https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/5-good-custom-x264-encoder-settings.4448/
i think these may not work with the amd branch but are the best solution to make the default obs work properly with r6 siege and all cores on the fx8320 without getting high cpu load.
so probably there are custom encoder variables for amd vce too?
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