DaemonForce
New Member
Hello. Fair warning, this might feel a bit like pulling teeth. I'm an overclocker and VR enthusiast that's been away from this stuff for a while.
My streaming experience has been quick junkyard blurbs and hour long PC part overviews on YouTube/Twitch from Larix Broadcaster.
Outside that, I don't really stream. Making videos is more enjoyable for reasons I still can't quite identify, so that's been my thing.
OBS makes the whole operation so much easier than doing a bunch of editing, so I want to try and jump over to streaming.
Between Windows, Radeon, SteamVR, Twitch, YouTube and (antique) broadcasting software...I have a fair idea on how to operate.
Problem is so much has changed over the years that steady 1080p60 encode became WAY too big of an ask from desktop.
Twitch's 6K bitrate hits visual quality particularly hard and I'm not sure why. I guess VP9 encode was a legit superpower.
So how does this work? From desktop, x264/H.264 are the ingest options for Twitch and looks like that tech has stagnated for a while.
I may make another attempt at switching over to another GPU soon, probably RDNA3/4 and I'm guessing AV1 options can open up later.
I don't see anything that gatekeeps me from streaming quality other than precious NVENC and some career streamers don't even use it.
So I'd like some help figuring out how to future-proof for broadcasts mainly in: 864p60/720p60 until better options arrive.
I want to setup a dedicated broadcast server to handle all of this. To me it makes more sense to have an entire system to do that.
For PC content I can split up the loads between this gaming PC and my previous one instead of struggling with a broken AMD encoder.
My current workstation loadout consists of a Ryzen 5 3600↗4GHz | 64GB | RX580 Red Devil | 10GbE SolarFlare | Corsair 240GB NVMe.
It's great for desktop gaming and VR but the hardware encoder is not very good at 1080p60 and unstable with Oculus+SteamVR involved.
The SFP+ card is a direct attached copper solution to my XB3 gateway periodically flaking out and taking out the entire physical network.
It links to the world's most miserable Athlon 2650e powered storage server and I already ask waaay more than enough from it.
So what I have in mind is: FX-8370↗4.2GHz | 16GB | 400GB LSI WarpDrive | APacer 16GB SATA.
It's PCI-E g2 but has 18/22 lanes open. I want this to handle VR ingest and the encode bound for YouTube/Twitch. Only question is how?
I need to stream at 720p60 to meet HD content and I'm not sure if the CPU is capable of higher let alone 1080p30.
Some friends familiar with the FX-8150 dunk on it for being too slow but the 8370 carried me through years of VR.
I think it's reasonable enough to hold its own. The 3600 is definitely capable but probably not going to happen.
Soooo yeah. If the 8370 is just handling x264 encode and OBS with no other high stress operations, would this be a reasonable solution?
If I jump to a newer GPU I'll probably send the RX580 to the rack for render jobs since hardware encoding may just continue this problem.
There's also the situation where I may want to capture HDMI footage during console gaming or bench test overclocking.
Are there any HHHL cards suited for it? I see USB capture cards with "no delay" passthru but streamers constantly struggle with them.
Also, are there any cards with a useful onboard encoder? How do I even filter search for that? Could a card like a Tesla P4 help here?
I want you guys to throw some ideas out here.
My streaming experience has been quick junkyard blurbs and hour long PC part overviews on YouTube/Twitch from Larix Broadcaster.
Outside that, I don't really stream. Making videos is more enjoyable for reasons I still can't quite identify, so that's been my thing.
OBS makes the whole operation so much easier than doing a bunch of editing, so I want to try and jump over to streaming.
Between Windows, Radeon, SteamVR, Twitch, YouTube and (antique) broadcasting software...I have a fair idea on how to operate.
Problem is so much has changed over the years that steady 1080p60 encode became WAY too big of an ask from desktop.
Twitch's 6K bitrate hits visual quality particularly hard and I'm not sure why. I guess VP9 encode was a legit superpower.
So how does this work? From desktop, x264/H.264 are the ingest options for Twitch and looks like that tech has stagnated for a while.
I may make another attempt at switching over to another GPU soon, probably RDNA3/4 and I'm guessing AV1 options can open up later.
I don't see anything that gatekeeps me from streaming quality other than precious NVENC and some career streamers don't even use it.
So I'd like some help figuring out how to future-proof for broadcasts mainly in: 864p60/720p60 until better options arrive.
I want to setup a dedicated broadcast server to handle all of this. To me it makes more sense to have an entire system to do that.
For PC content I can split up the loads between this gaming PC and my previous one instead of struggling with a broken AMD encoder.
My current workstation loadout consists of a Ryzen 5 3600↗4GHz | 64GB | RX580 Red Devil | 10GbE SolarFlare | Corsair 240GB NVMe.
It's great for desktop gaming and VR but the hardware encoder is not very good at 1080p60 and unstable with Oculus+SteamVR involved.
The SFP+ card is a direct attached copper solution to my XB3 gateway periodically flaking out and taking out the entire physical network.
It links to the world's most miserable Athlon 2650e powered storage server and I already ask waaay more than enough from it.
So what I have in mind is: FX-8370↗4.2GHz | 16GB | 400GB LSI WarpDrive | APacer 16GB SATA.
It's PCI-E g2 but has 18/22 lanes open. I want this to handle VR ingest and the encode bound for YouTube/Twitch. Only question is how?
I need to stream at 720p60 to meet HD content and I'm not sure if the CPU is capable of higher let alone 1080p30.
Some friends familiar with the FX-8150 dunk on it for being too slow but the 8370 carried me through years of VR.
I think it's reasonable enough to hold its own. The 3600 is definitely capable but probably not going to happen.
Soooo yeah. If the 8370 is just handling x264 encode and OBS with no other high stress operations, would this be a reasonable solution?
If I jump to a newer GPU I'll probably send the RX580 to the rack for render jobs since hardware encoding may just continue this problem.
There's also the situation where I may want to capture HDMI footage during console gaming or bench test overclocking.
Are there any HHHL cards suited for it? I see USB capture cards with "no delay" passthru but streamers constantly struggle with them.
Also, are there any cards with a useful onboard encoder? How do I even filter search for that? Could a card like a Tesla P4 help here?
I want you guys to throw some ideas out here.