Question / Help Which to buy AVerMedia C985 or i7?

kamuzai · Feb 2, 2014

Specs:
CPU: i5-2500(non-k)
Graphic card: GTX 770
Ram: 8gb (667MHz)
Mobo: P8P67 Pro Rev 3.1

Down/Up: 6mb/s | 3mb/s

Would it be better to buy the capture card or the cpu?

I am having trouble with the frame rate of any game I play while I try to stream. More specifically CSGO. I can run the game fine 200fps, but when I stream, sometimes it will stay like 100-150, but it will constantly spike making it unplayable.

Code:

17:55:09: Open Broadcaster Software v0.592b - 64bit (　^ω^)
17:55:09: -------------------------------
17:55:09: CPU Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500 CPU @ 3.30GHz
17:55:09: CPU Speed: 3310MHz
17:55:09: Physical Memory:  8168MB Total, 3458MB Free
17:55:09: stepping id: 7, model 42, family 6, type 0, extmodel 1, extfamily 0, HTT 1, logical cores 4, total cores 4
17:55:09: monitor 1: pos={0, 0}, size={1920, 1080}
17:55:09: monitor 2: pos={-1920, 0}, size={1920, 1080}
17:55:09: monitor 3: pos={1920, 0}, size={1440, 900}
17:55:09: Windows Version: 6.1 Build 7601 S
17:55:09: Aero is Enabled
17:55:09: -------------------------------
17:55:09: OBS Modules:
17:55:09: Base Address     Module
17:55:09: 000000003FC20000 OBS.exe
17:55:09: 00000000ECD90000 OBSApi.dll
17:55:09: 00000000F1A10000 DShowPlugin.dll
17:55:09: 00000000F19E0000 GraphicsCapture.dll
17:55:09: 00000000F1C60000 NoiseGate.dll
17:55:09: 00000000F19C0000 PSVPlugin.dll
17:55:09: ------------------------------------------
17:55:09: Adapter 1
17:55:09:   Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770
17:55:09:   Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 2087387136
17:55:09:   Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 2147807232
17:55:09:   Video Adapter Output 1: pos={0, 0}, size={1920, 1080}, attached=true
17:55:09:   Video Adapter Output 2: pos={-1920, 0}, size={1920, 1080}, attached=true
17:55:09:   Video Adapter Output 3: pos={1920, 0}, size={1440, 900}, attached=true
17:55:09: =====Stream Start: 2014-02-01, 17:55:09===============================================
17:55:09:   Multithreaded optimizations: On
17:55:09:   Base resolution: 1024x768
17:55:09:   Output resolution: 1024x768
17:55:09: ------------------------------------------
17:55:09: Loading up D3D10 on NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 (Adapter 1)...
17:55:09: ------------------------------------------
17:55:09: Audio Format: 48000hz
17:55:09: Playback device {0.0.0.00000000}.{a42080e5-8fae-404e-b7cc-dd29d1a1cb55}
17:55:09: ------------------------------------------
17:55:09: Using desktop audio input: Speakers (Plantronics GameCom 780)
17:55:09: Using 5.1 surround speaker setup
17:55:09: ------------------------------------------
17:55:09: Using auxilary audio input: Microphone (Plantronics GameCom 780)
17:55:09: ------------------------------------------
17:55:09: Audio Encoding: AAC
17:55:09:     bitrate: 128
17:55:09: Using graphics capture
17:55:09: Scene buffering time set to 700
17:55:09: ------------------------------------------
17:55:09: Video Encoding: x264
17:55:09:     fps: 30
17:55:09:     width: 1024, height: 768
17:55:09:     preset: veryfast
17:55:09:     profile: main
17:55:09:     keyint: 60
17:55:09:     CBR: yes
17:55:09:     CFR: yes
17:55:09:     max bitrate: 3000
17:55:09:     buffer size: 3000
17:55:09: ------------------------------------------
17:55:09: MMDeviceAudioSource: Frequency for device 'Speakers (Plantronics GameCom 780)' is 2304000, samples per sec is 96000
17:55:09: MMDeviceAudioSource: Frequency for device 'Microphone (Plantronics GameCom 780)' is 352800, samples per sec is 44100
17:55:12: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
17:55:12:   Server selection: rtmp://live-jfk.justin.tv/app
17:55:12:   Interface: Intel(R) 82579V Gigabit Network Connection (ethernet, 100 mbps)
17:55:12: Completed handshake with rtmp://live-jfk.justin.tv/app in 182 ms.
17:55:12: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
17:55:12: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
17:55:17: SharedTexCapture hooked
17:55:24: GraphicsCaptureSource::NewCapture:  eliminating old capture
17:55:25: SharedTexCapture hooked
17:56:29: GraphicsCaptureSource::NewCapture:  eliminating old capture
Warning -- D3D10Texture::CreateFromSharedHandle: Failed to open shared handle, result = 0x80070057
Warning -- SharedTexCapture::Init: Could not create shared texture
Warning -- D3D10Texture::CreateFromSharedHandle: Failed to open shared handle, result = 0x88760873
Warning -- SharedTexCapture::Init: Could not create shared texture
17:56:31: SharedTexCapture hooked
17:57:34: Capture window 0x002809D4 invalid or changing, terminating capture
17:57:43: Total frames encoded: 4580, total frames duplicated: 441 (9.63%)
17:57:43: Total frames rendered: 4455, number of late frames: 36 (0.81%) (it's okay for some frames to be late)
17:57:43: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Aborting due to WSAEnumNetworkEvents failure, 10038
17:57:43: Average send payload: 16443 bytes, average send interval: 25 ms
17:57:43: Number of times waited to send: 0, Waited for a total of 0 bytes
17:57:43: Number of b-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Number of p-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Total 0 (0%)
17:57:43: Number of bytes sent: 95782861
17:57:43: 
17:57:43: Profiler time results:
17:57:43: 
17:57:43: ==============================================================
17:57:43: video thread frame - [100%] [avg time: 5.09 ms] [children: 18%] [unaccounted: 82%]
17:57:43: | scene->Preprocess - [0.118%] [avg time: 0.006 ms]
17:57:43: | GPU download and conversion - [17.9%] [avg time: 0.911 ms] [children: 14.2%] [unaccounted: 3.65%]
17:57:43: | | flush - [9.72%] [avg time: 0.495 ms]
17:57:43: | | CopyResource - [4.4%] [avg time: 0.224 ms]
17:57:43: | | conversion to 4:2:0 - [0.118%] [avg time: 0.006 ms]
17:57:43: Convert444Threads - [100%] [avg time: 0.874 ms] [children: 99.1%] [unaccounted: 0.915%]
17:57:43: | Convert444toNV12 - [99.1%] [avg time: 0.866 ms]
17:57:43: encoder thread frame - [100%] [avg time: 1.334 ms]
17:57:43: ==============================================================
17:57:43: 
17:57:43: 
17:57:43: Profiler CPU results:
17:57:43: 
17:57:43: ==============================================================
17:57:43: video thread frame - [cpu time: avg 0.406 ms, total 1809.61 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1]
17:57:43: | scene->Preprocess - [cpu time: avg 0 ms, total 0 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1]
17:57:43: | GPU download and conversion - [cpu time: avg 0.056 ms, total 249.602 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1]
17:57:43: | | flush - [cpu time: avg 0.028 ms, total 124.801 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1]
17:57:43: | | CopyResource - [cpu time: avg 0.014 ms, total 62.401 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1]
17:57:43: | | conversion to 4:2:0 - [cpu time: avg 0 ms, total 0 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1]
17:57:43: Convert444Threads - [cpu time: avg 0.802 ms, total 7113.64 ms] [avg calls per frame: 2]
17:57:43: | Convert444toNV12 - [cpu time: avg 0.795 ms, total 7051.24 ms] [avg calls per frame: 2]
17:57:43: encoder thread frame - [cpu time: avg 0.571 ms, total 2605.22 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1]
17:57:43: ==============================================================
17:57:43: 
17:57:43: =====Stream End: 2014-02-01, 17:57:43=================================================


Last game capture log:
2014-02-01, 17:55:09: we're booting up: 
17:55:09: CaptureThread: attached to process csgo.exe
17:55:09: D3D9 Present
17:55:10: NV Capture available
17:55:10: FBO available
17:55:10: GL Present
17:55:10: (half life scientist) everything..  seems to be in order
17:55:17: D3D9EndScene called
17:55:17: D3DPRESENT_PARAMETERS {
17:55:17: 	BackBufferWidth: 1024
17:55:17: 	BackBufferHeight: 768
17:55:17: 	BackBufferFormat: D3DFMT_A8R8G8B8
17:55:17: 	BackBufferCount: 1
17:55:17: 	MultiSampleType: D3DMULTISAMPLE_2_SAMPLES
17:55:17: 	MultiSampleQuality: 0
17:55:17: 	SwapEffect: D3DSWAPEFFECT_DISCARD
17:55:17: 	hDeviceWindow: 2623956
17:55:17: 	Windowed: false
17:55:17: 	EnableAutoDepthStencil: true
17:55:17: 	AutoDepthStencilFormat: D3DFMT_D24S8
17:55:17: 	Flags: None
17:55:17: 	FullScreen_RefreshRateInHz: 144
17:55:17: 	PresentationInterval: 2147483648
17:55:17: };
17:55:17: successfully set up d3d9 hooks
17:55:17: D3D9Present called
17:55:17: DoD3D9GPUHook: success
17:55:17: D3DSURFACE_DESC {
17:55:17: 	Format: D3DFMT_A8R8G8B8
17:55:17: 	Type: D3DRTYPE_SURFACE
17:55:17: 	Usage: D3DUSAGE_RENDERTARGET 
17:55:17: 	Pool: D3DPOOL_DEFAULT
17:55:17: 	MultiSampleType: D3DMULTISAMPLE_2_SAMPLES
17:55:17: 	MultiSampleQuality: 0
17:55:17: 	Width: 1024
17:55:17: 	Height: 768
17:55:17: };
17:55:17: successfully capturing d3d9 frames via GPU
17:55:23: D3D9Reset called
17:55:23: ---------------------- Cleared D3D9 Capture ----------------------
17:55:24: successfully set up d3d9 hooks
17:55:24: D3D9EndScene called
17:55:24: D3D9Present called
17:55:24: DoD3D9GPUHook: success
17:55:25: D3DSURFACE_DESC {
17:55:25: 	Format: D3DFMT_A8R8G8B8
17:55:25: 	Type: D3DRTYPE_SURFACE
17:55:25: 	Usage: D3DUSAGE_RENDERTARGET 
17:55:25: 	Pool: D3DPOOL_DEFAULT
17:55:25: 	MultiSampleType: D3DMULTISAMPLE_2_SAMPLES
17:55:25: 	MultiSampleQuality: 0
17:55:25: 	Width: 1024
17:55:25: 	Height: 768
17:55:25: };
17:55:25: successfully capturing d3d9 frames via GPU
17:56:28: D3D9Reset called
17:56:28: ---------------------- Cleared D3D9 Capture ----------------------
17:56:28: successfully set up d3d9 hooks
17:56:28: D3D9Present called
17:56:29: DoD3D9GPUHook: success
17:56:29: D3D9Reset called
17:56:29: ---------------------- Cleared D3D9 Capture ----------------------
17:56:30: successfully set up d3d9 hooks
17:56:30: D3D9Present called
17:56:30: DoD3D9GPUHook: success
17:56:30: D3D9EndScene called
17:56:30: D3D9Reset called
17:56:30: ---------------------- Cleared D3D9 Capture ----------------------
17:56:30: successfully set up d3d9 hooks
17:56:31: D3D9EndScene called
17:56:31: D3D9Present called
17:56:31: DoD3D9GPUHook: success
17:56:31: D3DSURFACE_DESC {
17:56:31: 	Format: D3DFMT_A8R8G8B8
17:56:31: 	Type: D3DRTYPE_SURFACE
17:56:31: 	Usage: D3DUSAGE_RENDERTARGET 
17:56:31: 	Pool: D3DPOOL_DEFAULT
17:56:31: 	MultiSampleType: D3DMULTISAMPLE_2_SAMPLES
17:56:31: 	MultiSampleQuality: 0
17:56:31: 	Width: 1024
17:56:31: 	Height: 768
17:56:31: };
17:56:31: successfully capturing d3d9 frames via GPU

dodgepong · Feb 2, 2014

A single-PC setup will not benefit whatsoever from a capture card, so get the i7.

Boildown · Feb 2, 2014

Gamers like their i5s, but if you stream, the i7 is far, far better.

If you're getting a laptop, please make sure you get a 4 core / 8 virtual version instead of this one: http://ark.intel.com/products/76349 or any of the other dual core i7s.

kamuzai · Feb 2, 2014

dodgepong said:
A single-PC setup will not benefit whatsoever from a capture card, so get the i7.

Could you elaborate on why it wouldn't benefit a single-pc setup?

Also, will the i7 should completely eliminate fps drops?

Sapiens · Feb 2, 2014

A capture card isn't more efficient than using game capture or window capture and it doesn't do the encoding for you so there's no performance benefit. Nothing will completely eliminate FPS drops unless you offload encoding from your CPU (e.g. using Quick Sync or NvEnc or a second encoding PC).

kamuzai · Feb 2, 2014

So there is basically nothing I can do through OBS or software wise. It's a hardware issue.

Sapiens · Feb 2, 2014

I'm pretty sure I listed some things you could do in my reply. If your main goal is simply to stop your frame rate from fluctuating ingame you could also cap it a bit lower, say at 120, using the fps_max command. That should stabilize the frame rate and also reduce the work your CPU and GPU are having to do.

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