Question / Help Should I get rid of 4790k for 5930k? [Streaming PC]

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amarbleHD

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The upgrade would cost me about $300 dollars but I'm all about quality at this point! I can easily return my items as they are only a few days old. No selling really necessary either!

I was running Arma 3 with 60fps @ 1080p (downscaled then to 720p @ 60fps using Avermedia Live Gamer HD)
At Veryfast preset at 3500kbs.. any lower than that preset and I started getting errors. (I understand the task at hand, but I was trying to push my stock clock 4790k to the limit)

In a similar opportunity, what could I expect out of a hexacore 5930k and DDR4 ram? Could I possibly lower that preset much more to utilize those extra 2 cores.. or would it slightly noticable... or would my capture card not hold that amount of bandwidth either way?

PS. I already bought a Miconsoft SC-512N1 L/DVI Capture card and should be here in two days!

Thanks guys!
 
You're over estimating the power of the 5930k in comparison to the i7-4790k. Lowering the preset doesn't do as much in terms of quality compared to the cpu performance hit. If you were building a pure render box, then yes it'd be worth the money. In reality, the 4790k is more than enough for nearly anything. How you use your capture card also reflects if it can handle the bandwidth.
 
its not just upgrading the cpu, youd also need a new mobo and ddr4 ram so its more like 600cpu 250 board 160 ram

the gain you would get for it isnt actually worth it ... if you would upgrade from some 1st gen intel i series or some amd "stuff" then i'd actually recommend buying the 5820k + mb and ddr 4 ram
 
VooDoo said:
You're over estimating the power of the 5930k in comparison to the i7-4790k. Lowering the preset doesn't do as much in terms of quality compared to the cpu performance hit. If you were building a pure render box, then yes it'd be worth the money. In reality, the 4790k is more than enough for nearly anything. How you use your capture card also reflects if it can handle the bandwidth.
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Thanks for the thoughtful answer.

When I stream, most of the time I can get the quality options after a certain number of viewers and for those situations I want to be ready for the best looking stream I can possibly make! I've seen some of these dual xeon/5960x streams and am blown away by the quality (well aware that some people won't be able to watch due to internet but Id like to have the option when quality options arise.)

And this leads to another issue, for some reason, my game is stuttery during windowed/borderless windowed gaming.. No clue how to get rid of it, even though the Gaming PC has no OBS induced stress on it.

The issue I'm personally having at the moment is more along the lines of me playing DURING the stream.. for some reason, even with a dual PC setup.. running a game borderless windowed... doesn't make the game very smooth.

Sure the FPS is there (85+ FPS in a Arma 3 Breaking point server with 50+ people) but from a spectator point of view, it looks... laggy and stuttery. It's the only option I have to utilize my 144hz monitor, either than or sync it to 60hz for the capture card and use fullscreen but I'd rather not because a stuttery 100fps looks better than a capped 60.

Unless you have a workaround for the stuttery feel or bordered windows.. Sorry I went off on a tangent but after so much money, I'm a bit desperate to get my stream working good!

Figured throwing a hexacore could make up for the quality, for the fact that I deal with stuttery fps using borderless windows :P
 
alpinlol said:
its not just upgrading the cpu, youd also need a new mobo and ddr4 ram so its more like 600cpu 250 board 160 ram

the gain you would get for it isnt actually worth it ... if you would upgrade from some 1st gen intel i series or some amd "stuff" then i'd actually recommend buying the 5820k + mb and ddr 4 ram
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Currently I paid about 340, 180, 110 but would only pay about 520, 200, 130 for the 5930k set up.

I've spent more money in the last few days than I want to tell people on new audio equipment, streaming pc, capture card from Japan etc, so I feel it's like a last leap of faith to just go for the big dogs such as hexacore etc.. :P
 
Planning a new build myself with the 5820k; the 4790 is going to be better for gaming, the hexacore for better encoding. It comes down to what you want the primary build focus to be.
If you're playing around with streaming and more want the gaming punch, the 4790k (or 6700k next month, preferably) is going to be the way to go.
But if you're more focused on stream quality and want to push more CPU toward a slower encode for better 'polish', jump on the 5830k.

Personally, I'm planning on the 5820k for my new build as it's meant to be a streaming machine first and foremost. I'll end up repurposing it down the line to be an encoding-only machine. It's also got a better price/performance split than the 5830. Still, the lower cost of the 6700(/4790) build is enticing, as is the temptation to go all-out SMP Xeon instead.

Being fair, I'm looking for a futureproofed build for another 7 years or so, even though my i7-920 is still kicking along nicely, without even dipping into overclocking. May just bump the video card again, and hold off until 2011-3 matures a bit more, or if it becomes clear if the 1151 socket is going to be the long-term way forward from this generation.
 
I have the 5820K (and it is the same as the 5930K just with less PCI-e lanes, doesnt matter with singleGPU).
To catch up to the performance of the 4790K in games i had to overclock that damn thing to 4,3-4,5GHz (summer and winter presets) and slap a custom watercooling loop on top of it (its almost impossible to cool it with air or all in one liquid cooling units without having a jet engine next to you). Out of the box the 5820k is slower in games than 4790k, but when it comes to rendering - its a monster, only beaten by 5960X and huge Xeons with 8 and more cores.

The 6700K (the new highend quadcore from Intel, replacing the 4790K) is performing better with multithreading, but in games the performance is still the same. But the new stuff will be expensive, DDR4 has dropped but is still higher priced than similar DDR3.

I´m happy with the 5820K but only after heavy overclocking and the amount of money that i pumped into it (autumn 2014, so it was more expensive than now) would allow me to actually build a 2PC-setup without any drawbacks. If you do a 2PC-setup, go for a quadcore, the 4790K. Specially after release (Skylake) you may find it a bit cheaper, thats possible. There is no reason to prefer the 6700K over the 4790K, specially if you go with DDR4 - you will have 1-5% more performance for a way bigger price tag.
 
amarbleHD said:
Thanks for the thoughtful answer.

When I stream, most of the time I can get the quality options after a certain number of viewers and for those situations I want to be ready for the best looking stream I can possibly make! I've seen some of these dual xeon/5960x streams and am blown away by the quality (well aware that some people won't be able to watch due to internet but Id like to have the option when quality options arise.)

And this leads to another issue, for some reason, my game is stuttery during windowed/borderless windowed gaming.. No clue how to get rid of it, even though the Gaming PC has no OBS induced stress on it.

The issue I'm personally having at the moment is more along the lines of me playing DURING the stream.. for some reason, even with a dual PC setup.. running a game borderless windowed... doesn't make the game very smooth.

Sure the FPS is there (85+ FPS in a Arma 3 Breaking point server with 50+ people) but from a spectator point of view, it looks... laggy and stuttery. It's the only option I have to utilize my 144hz monitor, either than or sync it to 60hz for the capture card and use fullscreen but I'd rather not because a stuttery 100fps looks better than a capped 60.

Unless you have a workaround for the stuttery feel or bordered windows.. Sorry I went off on a tangent but after so much money, I'm a bit desperate to get my stream working good!

Figured throwing a hexacore could make up for the quality, for the fact that I deal with stuttery fps using borderless windows :P
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Well if you are using a dual PC setup, the primary gaming PC is only gaming and unaffected by the streaming pc. So any frame stuttering would be because of lack of actual gaming pc performance or your network or internet is struggling.

Basically hitting start stream on a second pc should not effect the graphic quality or performance of the 1st pc, it could effect your net tho.
 
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