Question / Help Is this good enough to stream?

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FakeGlory

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So I recently started streaming again (League of Legends) but whenever obs is open my fps in game goes below 30, so I was just wondering if my pc is good enough to stream, if I need to upgrade something or its just something in my OBS settings.Also the stream internet wise is very stable.
Here is my specs:
AMD A10-6800k CPU 4.10 GHz
ASUS gtx 750 Ti
8gn RAM


Any advice is appreciated, Thanks.
 
FerretBomb

FerretBomb

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You should be able to stream with that, just not at very high resolutions or framerates. AMD APUs are well-known for being pretty anemic.
 
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FakeGlory

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So you think I should upgrade my cpu? I obviously have a fm2 mobo so do you think i should upgrade my mobo and cpu? I want to be able to stream with great quality obviously :P
 
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Cryonic

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Well for 1080p streaming you should aim at a system that will cost you at least 700$ in new parts (AMD) or around 1000$ (Intel based build). If you want to stream newest games, your GPU will also stab you in the back, its not powerful enough for modern titles (specially when the optimization is nonexistent).
For League of Legends any halfway decent board with the FX-8350/8370 (even without OC), your 750Ti and your RAM would be enough.
With your current rig you should be able to stream 720p 30fps with the veryfast/ultrafast preset without problems, but only LoL. TripleA games will hit your CPU pretty hard, specially when streaming at the same time with the x264 encoder active.
 
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FakeGlory

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I wont be streaming any high speced games for a while, mainly just league for the time being, so the fx 8350/70 cpu with what board? when it comes to mobo idk whats considered half way decent xD Thanks for all the help btw
 
FerretBomb

FerretBomb

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Unless you're Partnered, you're not going to have the bitrate constraints to stream at 1080p. Non-partners are advised to stay at or below 2000kbps to minimize buffering for their viewers, as that's the rate Twitch released as being the most widely accessible without buffering. Even going to 2500 will cause a large portion to start stuttering and freezing, and the bare minimum for 1080 is 3000kbps, even for a low-motion game like League or HotS.

If you plan to put in the time and work to get partnered (especially hard if you're going to be a League streamer, due to how flooded League is) and want to buy future-facing hardware, go for an i7 non-mobile, minimum quad core. i5s are great for gaming-only rigs, but tend to run out of steam much past 720p@30 when livestreaming is thrown into the mix.
There are many new streamers who come in on AMD because it's cheaper, but eventually switch over due to peaky performance under real-time encoding (which is bad). I'd probably recommend saving up and just going with Intel to start with, to avoid buying things twice.

Motherboards, I only use ASUS for my own builds, but Gigabyte are solid too.
ASRock are OK(ish), but are a knockoff ASUS.
I steer clear from MSI after a few bad experiences. Foxconn, Jetway and EVGA hit this tier (mostly as EVGA rebrands the other two boards as their own).
ECS, avoid like the plague they are on the systembuilding world.

Would recommend heading over to reddit.com/r/buildmeapc and looking around for a while; a healthy dose of salt is advised, due to some extreme evangelism/fanboyism from a number of the regulars there.
 
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FakeGlory

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so I'm better of just going for intel i7? hmm...i know they are pretty pricey....starting to think it might just be cheaper to get a whole new pc xD
EDIT: intel i7 confuses me as there so many of them, which one is good to get? the price difference is crazy between them and is the ghz ;s
 
FerretBomb

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Ship of Theseus. Usually you'll upgrade parts until none of the original ones are left. :)
Don't buy off-the-shelf prebuilts, it's a ripoff.
 
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FakeGlory

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so which i7 is worth getting? there are so many of them haha, like i saw one for 500 that was 3ghz, but then one thats 250 which was 3.7,,,i dont wanna waste money by getting the wrong one xD
 
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Cryonic

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You can actually keep your RAM and your GPU, also your case, PSU and other small stuff.
In terms of the i7.. Go with the 4790K (best quadcore right now), wait till you can grab the 6700K (no idea about the release date) or if you want to go ballsdeep - grab yourself the i7 5820K and overclock the hell out of it (thats what i did).
The i7 5820k is a steal (when you compare the performance to the i7 4790k), but the X99-boards and DDR4 prices will give you a little adrenaline rush :P
But if you manage to kick the i7 5820k up to 4,5GHz (requires some luck and heavy cooling, i mean really heavy cooling to keep it quiet!), it will stomp anything into the ground for the price (you can start with 1000$ there for board, cpu, RAM and cooling - thats a lot, but its a streamers dream if a single rig is used). My rig was something about 2500$ and i`m not even close to what i really want (the all-in-one monsterrig that can take any task and be dead silent at the same time + have the best gaming power on the market).

P.S. some general info on i7 or Intel:
K & X-Models = unlocked multi, easy OC. Z oder X-Board required (!)
Non-K - locked multi, usually a bit cheaper.
Anything else - ignore it, mostly models designed for power saving and better efficiency.
Intel iGPU will enable you Quicksync (low quality and low impact encoder, useful for local recordings, but you got Shadowplay anyway). Note: i7 on the 2011 socket dont have the iGPU so Quicksync is not an option (i dont miss it, but still nice to have).
And there also are Xeon CPUs. They are equal to the i7, usually cheaper, dont have any models with unlocked multis and they actually are worth it.

P.S. some games perform better on a high clocked CPUs like the 4790K or highly overclocked CPUs. 4,5GHz+ is a noticeable boost for games like DayZ, WoW and other CPU-limited games (you will notice it when you GPU is sitting around doing nothing when you have 20FPS).
 
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FakeGlory

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yeah i think ill go for the 5820k as its only bout £60 more than the 4790k...hmm so what kind of motherboard will i need for that? you mention something x-99 and stupid prices? ;)
 
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Cryonic

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Well the 5820K is clocked @ 3,3GHz stock. That means - lower performance in CPU-limited games but better performance with x264 (what is used in OBS) and generally more power for multiple tasks while gaming. If you overclock it, the performance will rise, but also the power consumption and heat output.
You will need an aftermarket cooler that can handle 140W+ output (generally start with twin tower 120mm, better twin tower with dual 140mm fans or 240/280mm AIO watercooling unit). That will hit you for like 50-100$. Right now i`m cooling it with the NZXT Kraken X61, one of the most expensive AIO units out there, way over 100$.
I also got a top tier CPU, that is capable of reaching 4,5GHz with decent voltage (its in the top10% range) and i could sell it for way more than i paid for it because its a great overclocker.
Then you will need DDR4, a quad channel kit (since the 2011-3 socket actually can use quadchannel memory).
That will set you back another 200$ for the cheapest (dont know the prices, specially in UK).
And a X-99 board will set you another 200$ for the cheapest. But they are high end boards, even the cheapest - this is the Intel Enthusiast socket, so even the cheapest boards offer SLI/Crossfire, M.2 slots and other nice things.
I use the ASUS X-99 A (cheapest ASUS board with this socket), 16GB of Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR4 RAM (mostly because it works and is low profile, allowing me to install tower coolers, most of "popular" RAM brands offer huge heatsinks on the sticks). You also want a good PSU and a nice case to allow enough airflow to cool the board and provide cool air for the CPU cooler.

Like i said, 1000$ is a good starting point for i7 5820k + everything needed.
This means you will have to replace (maybe sell) your RAM, CPU, Board and maybe other things like PSU, case, cooling and more, increasing the cost.
The problem is not the i7 5820K (its the best bang for the buck CPU from Intel right now when looking at the i7), the problem is anything else needed to drive it and maybe overclock it :P
 
FerretBomb

FerretBomb

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With the 5820k you will have to buy new RAM. The 4970 can still use DDR3. The 4790 is also going to be cheaper (as will the motherboards), and is really what I'd suggest for a budget-minded build, as the cost of DDR4 ram for the 5820 is going to be a few hundred bucks at least, and you're going to pay early-adopter tax on any motherboard with a 2011-3 socket.

As far as coolers go, I'd point at the Coolermaster 212 Evo. At about $30 it's a steal, and can mount dual 120mm fans in push/pull to keep things nice and cool even under a mild overclock. I'm using the precursor (the 212+) on my i7-920, and I'm entirely unable to get it over 65C at full load and with a mild non-vcore OC (max on my chip is 100C).

Recommend against Xeons at this point in the lifecycle. They're clocked low as they're more oriented toward server applications, even if you can get massively multicore versions if you're willing to spend out. It's also a bit of a crapshoot as to which motherboards will actually accept them, especially on the 2011-3 socket (the few out there vetted to use them carry a significant prosumer/workstation markup, like the ASUS X99-E WS). Later life, Xeons become affordable and viable if you're buying behind the curve to get best bang for buck.
 
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Cryonic

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The second package is bullshit (sorry for the words). There is an H81 board and the 4790K. That means you cant overclock your CPU because the chipset doesnt support it. Get the first one, it is reasonable priced if you want a package.
This is good. You may get it cheaper if you order parts from shops.
 
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FakeGlory

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ok ill go for the first one, what shops what you suggest? I live in a very small town in the uk and the only pc shops we have tend to be pretty pricey
 
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Cryonic

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Well i have an idea for german or USA shops, but not for UK - no idea.
But i can tell you, Amazon and other mixed shops are no good for computer parts. Look for a specialised computer shop with an order option - they should be able to deliever that set (in parts) or make you a better offer on similar parts.
 
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