Question / Help Ingame lags/framedrops, Stream lagging

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Mesnate

New Member
Hello Community.

I started using Open Broadcaster Software because I heard, there are many advantages compared to XSplit (for example the CPU usage. It's lower).

First of all, here are my PC Specs:

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770k @ 3,5 GHz
Video card: GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 670
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 16GB Low Profile

Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS V GENE Z77
PSU: 630W be quiet! Pure Power L8-CM
Screen is 1920 x 1080 resolution.

Downloadspeed: 25 - 50 mb/s
Uploadspeed 6 - 8 mb/s


The settings estimator said:

Set FPS to 30
Set quality to 8 - 10
Your upload speed is sufficient for 720p / 1080p
Recommended max bitrate: 4000
Recommended buffer size: 4000


Okay, fine - I did what you wanted, Mr. Estimator.. but my stream and my game are still lagging.
The problem I noticed is my CPU-Usage.
It is so LOW!
My CPU-Usage is kinda 15 - 20% while Streaming.

But why do I still have those framedrops, laggs and why does the stream still lagg?

I just want to set up a normal 720p Stream.
Can anybody help me? :(
 
G

Grimio

Member
Since you didn't include a log file(you still should), I'll have to guess your're using software monitor capture and have Aero on.
If so, turn Aero off.
 
M

Mesnate

New Member
How do I post a log file?
And yes, i want to use monitor capture.

*And sorry: but how do I turn off the Aero-thing? :S
 
M

Mesnate

New Member
Hello everybody,

thanks for your help again.

I disabled Aero at startup as you wished.

Here is my log:

Code: 
Open Broadcaster Software v0.47a - 64bit (　^ω^)
-------------------------------
CPU Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 3.50GHz
CPU Speed: 3510MHz
Physical Memory:  16325MB Total, 11861MB Free
stepping id: 9, model 10, family 6, type 0, extmodel 1, extfamily 0, HTT 1, logical cores 8, total cores 4
Windows Version: 6.1 Build 7600 
Aero is Disabled
------------------------------------------
Adapter 1
  Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670
  Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 2091581440
  Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 2147479552
=====Stream Start=====================================================================
  Multithreaded optimizations: On
  Base resolution: 1920x1080
  Output resolution: 1280x720
------------------------------------------
Loading up D3D10...

------------------------------------------
Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (Realtek High Definition Audio)
------------------------------------------
Using auxilary audio input: Mikrofon (HD Pro Webcam C920)
------------------------------------------
Audio Encoding: AAC
    bitrate: 320
------------------------------------------
    device: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920,
    device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_082d&mi_00#7&2c663d5f&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
    chosen type: RGB24, usingFourCC: false, res: 320x180 - 320x180, fps: 5-30, fourCC: 00000000

Using directshow input
Using Monitor Capture
------------------------------------------
Video Encoding: x264
    fps: 30
    width: 1280, height: 720
    preset: veryfast
    CBR: no
    CFR: no
    max bitrate: 4000
    buffer size: 4000
    quality: 8
------------------------------------------
timestamps for 'Mikrofon (HD Pro Webcam C920)' just decided to go wacky.  reverting to desktop time.  PRAISE WONDERFUL DEVICE DRIVERS
Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
  Server selection: rtmp://live-fra.justin.tv/app
bufferTime: 2022, outputRateWindowTime: 1000, dropThreshold: 2522
Total frames rendered: 3788, number of frames that lagged: 0 (0.00%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Aborting due to bStopping
Number of b-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Number of p-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Total 0 (0%)
=====Stream End=======================================================================

Profiler results:

==============================================================
frame - [100%] [avg time: 11.745 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 94.4%] [unaccounted: 5.64%]
| scene->Preprocess - [59.1%] [avg time: 6.942 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1]
| video encoding and uploading - [35.3%] [avg time: 4.141 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 11.8%] [unaccounted: 23.4%]
| | CopyResource - [0.162%] [avg time: 0.019 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
| | conversion to 4:2:0 - [0.536%] [avg time: 0.063 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
| | call to encoder - [11%] [avg time: 1.289 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
| | sending stuff out - [0.136%] [avg time: 0.016 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
==============================================================



By the way: Here is the video to my video i recorded via OBS:

http://de.twitch.tv/mesnate/b/365001053


I asked my friends, almost everybody told me that it is lagging. I have no idea why.
I'm using a second monitor/screen (to be honest, I use my TV as second screen) and watch my Dashboard.
There are no laggs for me.

Really have no idea why it is lagging for them.


And the quality isn't perfect as well, with "that" hardware.
I mean 8mb/s upstream is enough to stream 720p VERY WELL. - Well... my stream doesn't even work with 8 mb upstream :S

Hope you can help me!
Thanks so much!
 
L

Lain

Forum Admin
Lain
Forum Moderator
Developer
Monitor capture is sadly the weakest of all capture methods, even when aero off. Window capture with aero on is pretty much the most efficient method of capturing currently.
 
M

Mesnate

New Member
Okay, then I have a few questions:
Can I capture everything, with window capture (aero off)?
Like my desktop, Google Chrome, the League of Legends Client, and the League of Legends Game itsself?

Because when I want to capture the game itsself, it doesn't show me.
Not even with window capture and not with game capture.. I have no idea why :S

EDIT: ************

No problem, I found it.
I'll stry another stream right now.
Going to send you video link + log.

*************************************
 
M

Mesnate

New Member
I have my game on window borderless mode, as you can see in the first video I sent you.

Well here is my second log:

Code: 
Open Broadcaster Software v0.47a - 64bit (　^ω^)
-------------------------------
CPU Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 3.50GHz
CPU Speed: 3510MHz
Physical Memory:  16325MB Total, 11525MB Free
stepping id: 9, model 10, family 6, type 0, extmodel 1, extfamily 0, HTT 1, logical cores 8, total cores 4
Windows Version: 6.1 Build 7600 
Aero is Disabled
------------------------------------------
Adapter 1
  Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670
  Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 2091581440
  Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 2147479552
=====Stream Start=====================================================================
  Multithreaded optimizations: On
  Base resolution: 1920x1080
  Output resolution: 1280x720
------------------------------------------
Loading up D3D10...
Playback device 힠
------------------------------------------
Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (Realtek High Definition Audio)
------------------------------------------
Using auxilary audio input: Mikrofon (HD Pro Webcam C920)
------------------------------------------
Audio Encoding: AAC
    bitrate: 320
------------------------------------------
    device: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920,
    device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_082d&mi_00#7&2c663d5f&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
    chosen type: RGB24, usingFourCC: false, res: 320x180 - 320x180, fps: 5-30, fourCC: 00000000

Using directshow input
Using Window Capture
Using Window Capture
Using Window Capture
------------------------------------------
Video Encoding: x264
    fps: 30
    width: 1280, height: 720
    preset: veryfast
    CBR: no
    CFR: no
    max bitrate: 4000
    buffer size: 4000
    quality: 8
------------------------------------------
Total frames rendered: 1, number of frames that lagged: 0 (0.00%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
=====Stream End=======================================================================
=====Stream Start=====================================================================
  Multithreaded optimizations: On
  Base resolution: 1920x1080
  Output resolution: 1280x720
------------------------------------------
Loading up D3D10...

------------------------------------------
Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (Realtek High Definition Audio)
------------------------------------------
Using auxilary audio input: Mikrofon (HD Pro Webcam C920)
------------------------------------------
Audio Encoding: AAC
    bitrate: 320
------------------------------------------
    device: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920,
    device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_082d&mi_00#7&2c663d5f&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
    chosen type: RGB24, usingFourCC: false, res: 320x180 - 320x180, fps: 5-30, fourCC: 00000000

Using directshow input
Using Window Capture
Using Window Capture
Using Window Capture
------------------------------------------
Video Encoding: x264
    fps: 30
    width: 1280, height: 720
    preset: veryfast
    CBR: no
    CFR: no
    max bitrate: 4000
    buffer size: 4000
    quality: 8
------------------------------------------
timestamps for 'Mikrofon (HD Pro Webcam C920)' just decided to go wacky.  reverting to desktop time.  PRAISE WONDERFUL DEVICE DRIVERS
Total frames rendered: 1616, number of frames that lagged: 3 (0.19%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
=====Stream End=======================================================================
=====Stream Start=====================================================================
  Multithreaded optimizations: On
  Base resolution: 1920x1080
  Output resolution: 1280x720
------------------------------------------
Loading up D3D10...

------------------------------------------
Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (Realtek High Definition Audio)
------------------------------------------
Using auxilary audio input: Mikrofon (HD Pro Webcam C920)
------------------------------------------
Audio Encoding: AAC
    bitrate: 320
------------------------------------------
    device: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920,
    device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_082d&mi_00#7&2c663d5f&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
    chosen type: RGB24, usingFourCC: false, res: 320x180 - 320x180, fps: 5-30, fourCC: 00000000

Using directshow input
Using Window Capture
Using Window Capture
Using Window Capture
------------------------------------------
Video Encoding: x264
    fps: 30
    width: 1280, height: 720
    preset: veryfast
    CBR: no
    CFR: no
    max bitrate: 4000
    buffer size: 4000
    quality: 8
------------------------------------------
timestamps for 'Mikrofon (HD Pro Webcam C920)' just decided to go wacky.  reverting to desktop time.  PRAISE WONDERFUL DEVICE DRIVERS
Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
  Server selection: rtmp://live-fra.justin.tv/app
bufferTime: 2072, outputRateWindowTime: 1000, dropThreshold: 2572
Total frames rendered: 2383, number of frames that lagged: 6 (0.25%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Aborting due to bStopping
Number of b-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Number of p-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Total 0 (0%)
=====Stream End=======================================================================

Profiler results:

==============================================================
frame - [100%] [avg time: 14.127 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 95.9%] [unaccounted: 4.1%]
| scene->Preprocess - [53.3%] [avg time: 7.534 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1]
| video encoding and uploading - [42.6%] [avg time: 6.014 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 7.76%] [unaccounted: 34.8%]
| | CopyResource - [0.092%] [avg time: 0.013 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
| | conversion to 4:2:0 - [0.127%] [avg time: 0.018 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
| | call to encoder - [7.49%] [avg time: 1.058 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
| | sending stuff out - [0.0496%] [avg time: 0.007 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
==============================================================

This time with window capture and aero off!


One more question:

Can I capture my Desktop as well?
If yes, how?
 
M

Mesnate

New Member
Okay here is my log now WITH aero:

First I have to say, that the game lagged now, when I played.
With aero deactivated the game ran fluently, now it laggs with aero activated.

Here the log:

Code: 
Open Broadcaster Software v0.47a - 64bit (　^ω^)
-------------------------------
CPU Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 3.50GHz
CPU Speed: 3510MHz
Physical Memory:  16325MB Total, 11137MB Free
stepping id: 9, model 10, family 6, type 0, extmodel 1, extfamily 0, HTT 1, logical cores 8, total cores 4
Windows Version: 6.1 Build 7600 
Aero is Enabled
------------------------------------------
Adapter 1
  Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670
  Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 2091581440
  Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 2147479552
=====Stream Start=====================================================================
  Multithreaded optimizations: On
  Base resolution: 1920x1080
  Output resolution: 1280x720
------------------------------------------
Loading up D3D10...
Playback device 
------------------------------------------
Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (Realtek High Definition Audio)
------------------------------------------
Using auxilary audio input: Mikrofon (HD Pro Webcam C920)
------------------------------------------
Audio Encoding: AAC
    bitrate: 320
------------------------------------------
    device: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920,
    device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_082d&mi_00#7&2c663d5f&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
    chosen type: RGB24, usingFourCC: false, res: 320x180 - 320x180, fps: 5-30, fourCC: 00000000

Using directshow input
Using Window Capture
Using Window Capture
Using Window Capture
------------------------------------------
Video Encoding: x264
    fps: 30
    width: 1280, height: 720
    preset: veryfast
    CBR: no
    CFR: no
    max bitrate: 4000
    buffer size: 4000
    quality: 8
------------------------------------------
timestamps for 'Mikrofon (HD Pro Webcam C920)' just decided to go wacky.  reverting to desktop time.  PRAISE WONDERFUL DEVICE DRIVERS
Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
  Server selection: rtmp://live-fra.justin.tv/app
bufferTime: 2145, outputRateWindowTime: 1000, dropThreshold: 2645
Total frames rendered: 3226, number of frames that lagged: 53 (1.64%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Aborting due to bStopping
Number of b-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Number of p-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Total 0 (0%)
=====Stream End=======================================================================
=====Stream Start=====================================================================
  Multithreaded optimizations: On
  Base resolution: 1920x1080
  Output resolution: 1280x720
------------------------------------------
Loading up D3D10...
Playback device 
------------------------------------------
Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (Realtek High Definition Audio)
------------------------------------------
Using auxilary audio input: Mikrofon (HD Pro Webcam C920)
------------------------------------------
Audio Encoding: AAC
    bitrate: 320
------------------------------------------
    device: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920,
    device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_082d&mi_00#7&2c663d5f&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
    chosen type: RGB24, usingFourCC: false, res: 320x180 - 320x180, fps: 5-30, fourCC: 00000000

Using directshow input
Using Window Capture
Using Window Capture
Using Window Capture
------------------------------------------
Video Encoding: x264
    fps: 30
    width: 1280, height: 720
    preset: veryfast
    CBR: no
    CFR: no
    max bitrate: 4000
    buffer size: 4000
    quality: 8
------------------------------------------
Total frames rendered: 874, number of frames that lagged: 13 (1.49%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
=====Stream End=======================================================================

Profiler results:

==============================================================
frame - [100%] [avg time: 7.811 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 94.5%] [unaccounted: 5.49%]
| scene->Preprocess - [43%] [avg time: 3.357 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1]
| video encoding and uploading - [51.5%] [avg time: 4.025 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 13.7%] [unaccounted: 37.8%]
| | CopyResource - [0.192%] [avg time: 0.015 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
| | conversion to 4:2:0 - [0.179%] [avg time: 0.014 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
| | call to encoder - [13.2%] [avg time: 1.034 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
| | sending stuff out - [0.115%] [avg time: 0.009 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
==============================================================

And here the vid:
http://de.twitch.tv/mesnate/b/365010907
 
L

Lain

Forum Admin
Lain
Forum Moderator
Developer
well then maybe aero off would be better - use whichever happens to be better
 
K

Kayuo

New Member
vod = video on demand

Just post a url from the "Past Broadcast" video section in your channel's video page.
 
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