Question / Help H-h-h-h-homeplugs?

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CritVV

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Quick question,

The only availability to have internet in my room is by using homeplugs, could this have any interference with obs/streaming?
I never drop frames, but I do hear some complaints about buffering once in a while.

I stream at 720p @ 40 FPS 3000 Bitrate and am not partnered.
i5 3570k @ 4.8 Ghz
75 Mbit upload
 
FerretBomb

FerretBomb

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You're streaming at too high a bitrate, causing your viewers to buffer.
The "golden point" for non-partnered streamers is 720p, 30fps, and 2000kbps. Best tradeoff between resolution, smoothness, and image fidelity.

40fps is absolutely unnecessary.
 
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CritVV

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FerretBomb said:
You're streaming at too high a bitrate, causing your viewers to buffer.
The "golden point" for non-partnered streamers is 720p, 30fps, and 2000kbps. Best tradeoff between resolution, smoothness, and image fidelity.

40fps is absolutely unnecessary.
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Hey Ferret. Thanks for the info. I've seen you recommending that too a lot of people. 720p @ 30 FPS @ 2000 bitrate is only a 'good enough' quality to me. 30 FPS often looks stuttery on twitch (which is weird, because 30 FPS vids on youtube look silky smooth) and the bitrate in some cases, like fast paced shooters, MMORPG's and other first person games has to be more than 2000 bitrate to not look pixelated. So I will not stream at those settings. I do appreciate the info though, and I really enjoy your stream as always.
 
FerretBomb

FerretBomb

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Unfortunately, until you get partnered, you need to work within the realistic technical limitations. Meaning no more than 2000kbps if you want to keep your stream from buffering for a majority of your viewers.

Don't get lost chasing a number, or perfect video. I did too, when I first started streaming. Short version? No one will come to your stream just for good image quality. But they sure as hell will leave if you insist on running too high a bitrate for them to be able to watch without going into buffering hell.

Your bitrate is absolutely causing the problem. Lowering the bitrate will fix it. 40fps is too high for the lowered bitrate. It's your call from this point, having been informed of what's happening and how to fix it. Most likely the people who look stuttery at 30fps are dropping, duplicating, or skipping frames.

Thanks much, man! Glad to hear it. :)
 
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CritVV

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FerretBomb said:
Unfortunately, until you get partnered, you need to work within the realistic technical limitations. Meaning no more than 2000kbps if you want to keep your stream from buffering for a majority of your viewers.

Don't get lost chasing a number, or perfect video. I did too, when I first started streaming. Short version? No one will come to your stream just for good image quality. But they sure as hell will leave if you insist on running too high a bitrate for them to be able to watch without going into buffering hell.

Your bitrate is absolutely causing the problem. Lowering the bitrate will fix it. 40fps is too high for the lowered bitrate. It's your call from this point, having been informed of what's happening and how to fix it. Most likely the people who look stuttery at 30fps are dropping, duplicating, or skipping frames.

Thanks much, man! Glad to hear it. :)
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Seems reasonable. I'll stream at 720p @ 30 FPS with a 2000 bitrate for the time being then. Thanks a lot Ferret
 
FerretBomb

FerretBomb

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Cheers, happy to help out where I can! :)

Sorry if that came across as brusque by the way; it's just important to stress that perfect video isn't what makes a watchable stream, and going brass-tacks straight off seems to shortcut the matter most of the time.
 
Boildown

Boildown

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One trick I found is to set a custom buffer lower than my bitrate. This reduces the variability in the supposedly-but-not-really constant bitrate. So I stream at 3000 bitrate and 2000 buffer. The quality is less than if I used 3000 buffer, but higher than if I used 2000 bitrate. If your viewers still complain about buffering after making a change like this, then you need to reduce one or both of the numbers even more.
 
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CritVV

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Boildown said:
One trick I found is to set a custom buffer lower than my bitrate. This reduces the variability in the supposedly-but-not-really constant bitrate. So I stream at 3000 bitrate and 2000 buffer. The quality is less than if I used 3000 buffer, but higher than if I used 2000 bitrate. If your viewers still complain about buffering after making a change like this, then you need to reduce one or both of the numbers even more.
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Lovely information. I will try and screw around with the buffer and bitrate a bit until I find my sweetspot. Thanks for that Boildown.
 
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