Question / Help CPU for streaming

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Smoshi

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I've heard mixed reviews. The mobo I have doesn't have unlocked multiplier (I think it's called) so cpu overclocking is not possible. I know many will say to get a new mobo but they can get pretty expensive.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?c ... l=H61M-HVS

I want to get a xeon (likely an e3-1275v2)

So the question I have;

Is a xeon worth getting for streaming? Or should I get an i7 regardless? Keep in mind, It would be an i7 3770

I would get a new mobo + cpu, but the price would have to be right. I'm working with roughly 400$
 
Sapiens

Sapiens

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You want to buy a Xeon but are worried about motherboard prices? Get a 4770K and put the money you save towards a better motherboard. Z78 boards start at ~$115 so the overall price wouldn't be much different, and you'd have some room to overclock if you want to head in that direction.
 
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alpinlol

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3770k and 4770k cost the same if you have to also buy a new motherboard anyway i'd probably go with 4770k because 1155 socket boards are at the end of their lifespan probably by now since haswell is on 1150 socket.

you cant really oc an xeon anyway since xeon doesnt offer free multipliers all you can do is change the clockrate.

performancewise the xeon will do the same job for streaming as the i7 since its the same processor architecutre but the overall performance for gaming is a few % lower compared to an i7 3770k since you linked the ivy bridge xeon.

id suggest i7 4770k with an z87/h87/q87 chipset the boards probably around 100-120 bucks and cpu http://www.microcenter.com/single_produ ... sku=583369

kinda fits your budget
 
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Smoshi

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Sapiens said:
You want to buy a Xeon but are worried about motherboard prices? Get a 4770K and put the money you save towards a better motherboard. Z78 boards start at ~$115 so the overall price wouldn't be much different, and you'd have some room to overclock if you want to head in that direction.
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Also, I have windows 8 and it's basically integrated into the motherboard (the serial or something).
So I'm worried I might have to buy another copy of windows if I get a new mobo.
 
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Smoshi

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No it's not a supermarket PC, lol. I guess it's microsoft's way of "securing" the OS from pirating, but who the hell knows.
I never got a windows disk though.. I could probably make my own but not sure how well that would go over.


Also, I don't want to overclock. Even if I had the right hardware to do so, I'm just not a fan of it.
That's why I was looking at a Xeon.
 
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alpinlol

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guess you can shoot a win7 prof or ultimate 64bit on ebay for like 30 bucks ... but if you go with xeon i'd take the haswell xeons aswell and then probably Intel Xeon E3-1245v3 or Intel Xeon E3-1240v3 if you dont plan to use quicksync
 
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Smoshi

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I'll.. just figure this out myself.
Thanks anyway.

I'll contact microsoft and see what I can do about windows 8 on a new mobo or something
 
FerretBomb

FerretBomb

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You are correct; most OEM Windows installations at this point are locked to a BIOS key. Upgrade/switch out the motherboard, and you need a new product key.
System Builder versions have a bit of leeway (they're supposed to be mobo-locked, but the MS rep can reset the hash if you call and speak nicely to them), but the pack-in versions pretty much are BIOS keyed only. You'll need to buy a new product license.

All that said, the motherboard is definitely a part you don't want to cheap-out on. It's the foundation for your system; I see it as spending an extra $40(-100) now on something I'm going to use for 5-10 years as just being good sense. Graphics cards and RAM can be swapped out ridiculously easily. Mobo, PSU, CPU? Not so much.

I'd also recommend going with ASUS; they're the only motherboards I use for my own builds. Cost a little more, but the features and stability are more than worth it, especially in the long-term.
 
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Smoshi

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Alright,

thanks Ferret. What happens if I get a new mobo and try and start my system? Will I be able to login to windows? Or will it not even recognize my OS. I don't know Windows 8 that well.
 
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Smoshi

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I just read that if you get a new mobo, you can call MS and they will be able to take care of this. You can still boot into W8, so that's good. So worst case scenario, I would just have to get a new W8 license.

But now the question is;
Should I just go ahead and get a really good mobo while holding off on the i7 and getting a 4th gen i5
Or.. should I just save up another month and get a really good mobo with a 4th gen i7..

I was looking at this;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDeal ... bo.1455442
 
Krazy

Krazy

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That would be a solid mobo/CPU combination, but if it's just a matter of a month or two of saving, I would definitely suggest holding out for an i7!
 
FerretBomb

FerretBomb

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If by 'take care of this' you mean 'sell you a new license key over the phone', then yes, they can. And will.
As far as giving you one outright... that's significantly less-likely without a lot of luck and/or social engineering. They sell these BIOS-locked keys at a deep discount to OEMs specifically for this purpose, with the expectation that they will sell another copy post-upgrade.

Yes, you most likely will be able to boot into the OS, but it will go into 'non-validated mode' where you get no security patches/updates/etc until you buy another copy, and will eventually disable itself/go into low-functionality mode.

Save up, get the CPU and mobo together. Usually you can get a good discount doing that anyway. I'd also advise a good aftermarket CPU cooler as well, at the same time.
 
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Smoshi

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Just out of curiosity, is there a reason to get a k-series i7 if you don't plan on overclocking? I'm always afraid I'll fry my hardware if I try and overclock so I would rather not touch it.

For example, the 4770k versus 4770
Is there a huge difference aside from unlocked multiplier?
 
Krazy

Krazy

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If you have no plans on overclocking, then there is little point to getting a K. Having said that, the difference between K and non-K is usually like 20 bucks, and overclocking on Intel chips since Sandy Bridge is disgustingly easy unless you try for like, a 1GHz or more overclock. You can generally get to 4.0-4.2GHz just by changing multiplier and not even changing voltage settings or anything like that.
 
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Smoshi

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alpinlol said:
also if you dont plan to oc at all go with an intel xeon they are cheaper in perform the same ;D
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Crap.. I just put my order in for an i7 non-k. I was originally going to get a xeon, but everyone kept telling me not to. Oh well, more money for intel! lol

edit: Just canceled my order.. my paypal account was charged so hopefully they can refund the money quickly.
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