mathwizi2005
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I am looking for a 1080p 60FPS capable card with component input support (The PS2 still has great games on it and I can interchange my cords between the PS2 and PS3)
Question / Help Capture card recommendations
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FerretBomb
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I use a Micomsoft SC-512N1-L/DVI. Does everything from HDMI to composite, including component, VGA, RGB, and s-video, with audio capture support. Also captures down to 240i if you want to toss a NES or Atari 2600 on. If mine broke, I'd be ordering another one within five minutes. You may also be able to get a Yuan SC512, which is literally the same card, just without the passthrough daughterboard.
I've heard good things about the Magewell 1-channel which can do most of what the SC512 can, but is missing a few input types, and is more expensive.
Those really are your only options for 1080@60 *and* component input. You could consider something like an XRGB-Mini to upscale component into HDMI, then something like the Elgato HD60 Pro. Avoid Avermedia, strictly starter-grade gear.
I've heard good things about the Magewell 1-channel which can do most of what the SC512 can, but is missing a few input types, and is more expensive.
Those really are your only options for 1080@60 *and* component input. You could consider something like an XRGB-Mini to upscale component into HDMI, then something like the Elgato HD60 Pro. Avoid Avermedia, strictly starter-grade gear.
Boildown
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Any of the RGB Datapath cards can do 1080p and they do component with an adapter... here's one on Ebay for a ridiculously low price: www.ebay.com/itm/Datapath-Vision-RGB-E1-DVI-1080p-60-Streaming-Capture-Card-PCIe-PC-APPLE-NEW-/291705516441
These have been going for around $100, but this same seller seems to not be running out of them, and now lowered the starting price further. I'd wait for the end of the auction and snipe it.
You'd need a PCIe 4x slot in your computer and the adapter second to the bottom here: http://www.datapath.co.uk/products/accessories-a-cables/cables . My understanding is that its not a special adapter, you can find it for $5 on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=DVI/+COMPONENT+ADAPTER&_sop=12 , but I don't have one myself to be 100% sure.
These have been going for around $100, but this same seller seems to not be running out of them, and now lowered the starting price further. I'd wait for the end of the auction and snipe it.
You'd need a PCIe 4x slot in your computer and the adapter second to the bottom here: http://www.datapath.co.uk/products/accessories-a-cables/cables . My understanding is that its not a special adapter, you can find it for $5 on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=DVI/+COMPONENT+ADAPTER&_sop=12 , but I don't have one myself to be 100% sure.
On PS3, about half of PS3 games only allows 720p max, and most games that support 1080p output are using upscale.
Most (all?) USB 3.0 capture cards do support 1080p60 capture, but check device manager for compatible USB 3.0 controller.
Single lane PCI-E version 1.x don't have enough bandwidth for 1080p60 capture at YUY2/UYVY colorspace, this requires PCI-E 2.0 (more speed per lane) or more then one PCI-E lanes. Many (not all) PCI-E capture cards are using singe lane PCI-E version less then 2.0, which limits to a slow speed of 1080p30 or 720p60. For single lane PCI-E 1080p60 capture card, check if motherboard support PCI-E version 2.0, almost all recent motherboards do support at least version 2.0 on all PCI-E slots.
Probably should avoid AverMedia's PCI-E cards as they still don't have any PCI-E that have 1080p60 capture support?
Most (all?) USB 3.0 capture cards do support 1080p60 capture, but check device manager for compatible USB 3.0 controller.
Single lane PCI-E version 1.x don't have enough bandwidth for 1080p60 capture at YUY2/UYVY colorspace, this requires PCI-E 2.0 (more speed per lane) or more then one PCI-E lanes. Many (not all) PCI-E capture cards are using singe lane PCI-E version less then 2.0, which limits to a slow speed of 1080p30 or 720p60. For single lane PCI-E 1080p60 capture card, check if motherboard support PCI-E version 2.0, almost all recent motherboards do support at least version 2.0 on all PCI-E slots.
Probably should avoid AverMedia's PCI-E cards as they still don't have any PCI-E that have 1080p60 capture support?
FerretBomb
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Biggest problem with the Datapath cards is that they don't capture audio. Which can be a pain to split out and capture separately (especially from an HDMI-only source), and then re-sync audio to captured video without drift. Great for cameras though, where you're already likely running your audio through a mixer anyway.
Sam, there are few 'true' USB 3.0 cap devices though; the XCAPTURE-1, PEXHDCAP (whichever model is the external version, mostly a clone of the XCAP-1), and the AM Extremecap which has known, severe problems are the only three immediately to mind.
All of the cap cards listed above do require PCIe 2.0 aside from the DPV (which uses a PCIe 1.0 4x, which is the same bandwidth as a PCIe 2.0 1x slot).
Sam, there are few 'true' USB 3.0 cap devices though; the XCAPTURE-1, PEXHDCAP (whichever model is the external version, mostly a clone of the XCAP-1), and the AM Extremecap which has known, severe problems are the only three immediately to mind.
All of the cap cards listed above do require PCIe 2.0 aside from the DPV (which uses a PCIe 1.0 4x, which is the same bandwidth as a PCIe 2.0 1x slot).
Boildown
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Well if you're using component you're not sending audio over it. I've never had audio drift problems with either of my Datapath capture cards, always just routed audio from the analog audio outs of my computer to the line in of my streaming PC's sound card. Never had to adjust a thing. Even for 8-hour long streams (longest I've done), its always been perfectly in-sync at the end.
What you're describing is a problem with the method chosen of transmitting the audio, not of the video capture card. With the caveat that capture cards that can do both audio and video over HDMI are just easier, as long as HDMI is possible in the first place.
What you're describing is a problem with the method chosen of transmitting the audio, not of the video capture card. With the caveat that capture cards that can do both audio and video over HDMI are just easier, as long as HDMI is possible in the first place.
FerretBomb
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True, I was mostly assuming that mathwizi was going to want HDMI capture in conjunction with component, as it's the de facto standard at this point, which is where the Datapath cards kind of fall down. Plenty of things that can cause drift though, depending on individual setups, and if it hits... well. Kind of a pain to fix or figure out the cause.
I would recommend a Magewell card if you can't find an E2S or E1S. Their cards are excellent especially the new Pro line like the dual DVI pro that can handle 2 1080P 60 sources simultaneously. http://www.goelectronic.com/MAGEWEL...zTJtd3RPvve2WnkTCPqIgE8js-VmH9SxucaAvY98P8HAQ .
Boildown
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If you're going to do that you might well get one that's native HDMI, imo: http://www.goelectronic.com/MAGEWELL PC-100-XE.html . If it isn't a dual link DVI, might as well HDMI.
mathwizi2005
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I use 1080p60 as a benchmark for future proofing AND I will probably end up making a dedicated capture box (Gaming Rig > Capture Rig).
Price is a massive factor as well so the PC-200-XE isn't an option for me. That 100-XE tho is looking pretty tempting.
Any other options?
As for the PCI-E interface, the GA-990FXA-UD3 R5 are all 2.0 buses.
Price is a massive factor as well so the PC-200-XE isn't an option for me. That 100-XE tho is looking pretty tempting.
Any other options?
As for the PCI-E interface, the GA-990FXA-UD3 R5 are all 2.0 buses.
Boildown
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Have you read this thread?
Micomsoft, Elgato, Datapath, Magewell... I think that covers it.