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WolfsGoRawr

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Get a SSD 265gb from Samsung.
With a system like that you want to add the SSD to it, you will not regret it!

Then use the Seagate for storage and install your OS. games and important software you use on the SSD and you are golden o/
 
Sapiens

Sapiens

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- Use http://www.logicalincrements.com/ for a decent reference/comparison

- You could go with a 4770K instead and pay the same/slightly less than you would for that 3770K
- The cooling solution looks overpriced, perhaps have a look at http://www.anandtech.com/show/7738/clos ... id-coolers if you plan to OC and are interested in closed loop coolers
- The PSU would be overkill even if you decided to go with SLI 760s. Look at SeaSonics in the 500-600W range instead.
- The motherboard is probably overkill too, and you could halve the RAM unless you know for sure you'll need that much
- Try to put an SSD in there if you can, they're fantastic in general
 
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Darc0917

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Thanks guys. I will definitely buy a SSD but not right away. I plan to buy the parts over a period of a few months and then finish it with a SSD.

@Sapiens I will be doing a lot of rendering so the RAM is fine but what do you mean by the motherboard is overkill? I might use SLI in the future.
 
FerretBomb

FerretBomb

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I'd agree with the sentiments above about an SSD; they've hit a price point where they're worthwhile. Likewise on the CPU.

Personally, I'd go with an ASUS motherboard. All I use for my own builds at this point. MSI used to be a decent name, but they've started cheaping out... got one that only 3 out of 4 mobo fan headers had PWM (speed control) and spent WEEKS trying to figure out why I couldn't turn down the last fan from 'hurricane'. Also uses a weird-ass temperature monitoring chip that can report some really screwed up (wrong) values. It just isn't worth it to me, to save $30-50 on one of the core elements of a system that I may be using for 5-10 years.

I wouldn't bother with a closed-loop cooler. Generally they're a lot more trouble than they're worth. Properly designed air cooling will work just as well (if not better) than most of the one-stop-shop closed-loop systems out there. If you were going for a full water-cooling setup (CPU, GPU, possibly RAM) it could be worthwhile... but those carry their own risks and headaches.

I'd disagree STRONGLY with Sapiens up above. A 750W PSU will almost ensure that you don't get any weird power issues... usually this is one of the newbie system-building mistakes, to cheap out on an underpowered budget-grade PSU and wonder why you're getting BSODs, instability, graphical artifacting, etc. For a serious workstation (eg: not just a Grandma's Email Machine) I won't put in anything less than a 700W unit. Affords extra margin for power load, and if you get an 80+ unit the power efficiency is still pretty good (after all, a 750W PSU doesn't ALWAYS draw 750W... mine usually pulls around 260 during average use, but spikes while gaming).

I'd also disagree with Sapiens on RAM. 16GB is a good amount that can ensure that you won't run out or have low-memory issues. Additionally, if you want to have some fun, you can set aside 4-8GB (if you aren't actively using it) as a RAM drive and mirror your game of choice onto it. Loading times don't EXIST at that point. :D
 
Sapiens

Sapiens

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For a gaming and streaming system 8GB of RAM is still more than enough. The money saved from not doubling it in that type of system could be put towards something like an SSD, which (imo) would be a better investment if you're balancing component prices on a budget. In this case he knows he needs more so it's a moot point anyway.

Higher PSU wattages don't imply higher build quality, nor does buying PSU in line with your expected power requirements even remotely qualify as cheaping out. You don't avoid "weird power issues" by overshooting your power requirements by hundreds of watts. Using at least 700W unit in anything that isn't "grandma's email machine" is kind of...man. I don't even know what to say to that lol
 
Krazy

Krazy

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Wattage doesn't really mean all that much these days, to be honest. All the new GPUs/CPUs are constantly going down in power requirement. It's more about power stability. 80+ certified is way more important than how many rated watts you have, as is the reliability of the 12v rail. 750w is absolutely overkill these days, even if you plan on overclocking heavily.

I have a 750w power supply for my 2600k @4.6ghz and my overclocked GTX 670 with multiple hard drive and lots of case fans...and I really regret buying one that high. It was totally unnecessary and I don't even use a good chunk of the overhead. Hell, I could probably throw in 2 more 670s and still be way more than fine.
 
Boildown

Boildown

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Darc0917 said:
I made a new cart based off feedback from you guys. What do you think?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2VDSI

(I will be being a 64gb SSD separately)
Click to expand...

EVGA is NOT known for good power supplies: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/12/ ... y_review/9

Its not the same model, but I still wouldn't trust them. Get rid of that POS and look at the hardocp.com power supply reviews to pick a good one, preferably one that wins their highest rating. Then check that model at other review sites to make sure it wasn't a fluke. IMO hardocp.com does the best power supply reviews on the internet.

Get higher speed memory. I would personally go with 2x8 instead of 2x4, since RAM is cheap, but if it makes a difference in lowering another component or fitting in your budget, 2x4 is fine. But 1333 is slow nowadays. Get at least 1600, but even faster is better.

You don't need a 4GB GTX 770. The 2GB version is fine. Well, probably. I got a 4GB 680 and I regret spending the extra money on it. If high res Skyrim is your favorite game or you know you won't upgrade again for another 4 years, then perhaps 4 GB is fine, otherwise I'd save the money and get the 2 GB version. Even the GTX780Ti only comes with 3GB, for example.

Those are your only real mistakes that I can see. I'd defer to the previously-linked Anandtech review of CPU coolers, and I'd probably spring for a 2TB hard drive instead of 1TB, and your motherboard is probably fine.
 
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alpinlol

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seriously ... do never buy a ssd with less than 128gb they are just not worth it even the 128gb ones are too small 250/256gb especially the samsung 840 are on the price/performance sweetspot for a long time and with a bit more storage on the ssd you can throw some games you play often on it.
 
FerretBomb

FerretBomb

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Eh, you can absolutely get by with even a 32GB primary SSD (or smaller), so long as you know what you're doing when it comes to building a system.

You just leave ONLY the OS on that disk, and migrate Program Files, swapfile, your 'my documents' and crap over to a standard spinning-platter secondary drive. Plenty of how-tos out there, on how to do it right and redirect it to D: or whatnot. Keeps the OS snappy and crap-free, and helps to cut down on creeping clutter on the system disk. If you want SSD performance for your programs, buy a second SSD for those and keep a tertiary 'slow storage' spinning-platter drive for all your rarely-accessed stuff (and My Documents/Pictures/etc, preferably).

Likewise, having (more than) enough RAM means being able to disable the swapfile entirely, which can speed things up on its own as the OS stops trying to page things out, waiting on a relatively super-slow disk.
 
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