Question / Help Bizarre issue with twitch/or flash player?

[LOLYOU]

I've been streaming for about a year now and my stream has always had this issue where it almost looks like the frames are stuttering and makes it look very unsmooth and unpleasant.

I've done a lot of diagnosing. I tried hitbox.tv and it seemed the problem still persisted so I'm guessing its flash player? Any ideas of what the problem could be? I don't see any other streams with any similar issues. OBS literally says I'm golden with zero dropped frames and such. I also tried different CPU presets with no change in results. Tried using different server locations too.
Do streaming sites just hate me? ;_;


I did some stress testing with 60fps so you can see the stutter.
(You really notice the stutter after comparing it with the raw file.)

http://www.twitch.tv/lelyou/b/505088404
^Stutter in playback60fps

http://store79.media61.justin.tv/archiv ... 956163.flv
^Raw File ZERO Stuttering clean as butter60fps

http://www.hitbox.tv/video/102260
^Stutter 30fpsAvermedia(my normal stream settings)

LogFile
https://gist.github.com/anonymous/812e1db8966b0b5aeaf1

My internet speeds if needed are 30down5up TWC

Any possible help would be very much appreciated. :)

 

[Lain]

Flash is terrible at decoding. Your settings are probably fine. In fact, if you record to file while streaming at the same time, it'll have the exact transmission data. You'll notice that the file playback will be fine in any old media player, where as flash will have issues playing it back.

 

[LOLYOU]

Flash is terrible at decoding. Your settings are probably fine. In fact, if you record to file while streaming at the same time, it'll have the exact transmission data. You'll notice that the file playback will be fine in any old media player, where as flash will have issues playing it back.

Yeah its just really strange because I see no other stream with this issue so like I assume its something on my end. Looks like I've hit a dead end though I've tried everything.

 

[Krazy]

It's not just your stream, trust me. It's just more obvious when you are going over your stream because you have the source material (the game you were just playing) to compare it to. You have less of a frame of reference when watching other streams.

 

[Boildown]

Get FRAPS and run the framerate counter in the corner of the window, and you'll see for anything on Twitch it jumps around all over the place. And 60fps streams NEVER actually hit 60fps. YouTube isn't nearly as bad for whatever reason (possibly because YouTube always re-encodes to 30fps or less).

I'm interested in finding out if there's a specific part of the h.264 decode that Twitch/Flash sucks at, and if we could only discover and avoid encoding with it, we could get fast and stable playback. But to date I haven't bothered to do the testing to find that out.

 

[Krazy]

I actually think it was one of the Flash updates. Once upon a time 720p60fps actually looked quite good =/

 

[LOLYOU]

I actually think it was one of the Flash updates. Once upon a time 720p60fps actually looked quite good =/

Uhgg this issue is so frustrating and its not really the issue with 60fps its the issue with my 30fps, it looks abysmal on twitches end(fine watching raw file) and I see other streamers with a fine 30fps streams with zero issues but on my stream its so choppy and looks like 12-20fps I just don't know what to do :/

if anyones still up to suggest anything or has any ideas I would really appreciate it I'm really desperate

Normal Stream Settings, 30fps Avermedia stream computer.
http://www.twitch.tv/lolyou/b/505670659 (pls don't judge lol)
Log File
https://gist.github.com/722fee30eba90869eaad (pretty sure monitor capture isn't the issue)

 

[hilalpro]

The problem doesn't relate much to flash player if you're only streaming at 720p@30fps the video file itself is somewhat jittery mainly due to your slow graphics card. Try getting rid of that and make use of the integrated one if you're just using that PC as a "streaming box".

 

[LOLYOU]

The problem doesn't relate much to flash player if you're only streaming at 720p@30fps the video file itself is somewhat jittery mainly due to your slow graphics card. Try getting ride of that and instead make use of the integrated one if you're just using that PC as a "streaming box".

The same issue still persists even when I stream at 30fps on my Main PC. Which has a 7950 3gig.


http://www.twitch.tv/lelyou/b/505912681
Choppy 30fps Stream(some random points it is smooth)

http://store86.media64.justin.tv/archiv ... 206383.flv
Normal Clean 30fps Raw File No issues.

https://gist.github.com/054d9851abb15049bfba
Log File


Any other ideas? :[

 

[hilalpro]

Well this last video looks almost exactly the same on both players. Try disabling flash's hardware acceleration or check and see if you can notice it with a different browser.

 

[LOLYOU]

Well this last video looks almost exactly the same on both players. Try disabling flash's hardware acceleration or check and see if you can notice it with a different browser.

It does look a little bit smoother on my 2nd browser with hardware accel off. But if this were the case, what would be the reason that my stream is the only faulty stream on my main browser with this issue?

On another note my viewers experience the same choppiness. :P

 

[LOLYOU]

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