Quick question how do you hook up a xbox one with a http://www.amazon.com/AVERMEDIA-Bro...18756&sr=8-3&keywords=avermedia+live+gamer+hd
And is it compatible with OBS
And is it compatible with OBS
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FerretBomb
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Plug it in via HDMI. Add the card as a video capture device. Yes, it is.
I'd recommend avoiding AVerMedia though unless you're just after a starter card. They have known colorspace and performance issues, and their marketing department uses HEAVY weasel-wording to make you think the card can do a lot more than it actually can (like it can ACCEPT 1080@60 video, but only actually captures at 30fps... but all of their brochres are worded to make you think that it can capture at 60).
Oh, and you may need an HDMI splitter if that doesn't have a passthrough. The capture delay on AM cards is pretty significant.
I'd recommend avoiding AVerMedia though unless you're just after a starter card. They have known colorspace and performance issues, and their marketing department uses HEAVY weasel-wording to make you think the card can do a lot more than it actually can (like it can ACCEPT 1080@60 video, but only actually captures at 30fps... but all of their brochres are worded to make you think that it can capture at 60).
Oh, and you may need an HDMI splitter if that doesn't have a passthrough. The capture delay on AM cards is pretty significant.
Jack0r
The Helping Squad
Lol, I can totally recommend to use Avermedia, they use the same "weasel-wording" every other company also uses. Their internal devices are great and have no known performance issues. At least to my knowledge and after using two different devices from them without problems over the last 5 years.
The Game Broadcaster HD also has no Color Space problems, so you are good to go. Just get a good hdmi splitter with it and you can still use hdmi as normal. Console to Splitter and then Splitter to TV and Cap Card.
As the advertising says input can be up to full 1080p 60fps, but it will only record at 30fps. Which is what every other card in this price segment also does, unless it does not even support full 1080p input or is the Live Gamer HD by avermedia which has a color space problem but can downscale 1080p60fps natively to 720p60fps which other cards do not allow you. So its a trade off.
To get a "better" device that either allows RGB input (which will be changed to YUV anyway) or that allows you to input 1080p60 and record it at 60fps, you will have to pay above 200$, probably above 250. For example:
http://www.solarisjapan.com/xcapture-1-usb-3-0-hd-capture-unit/
http://www.solarisjapan.com/sc-512n1-l-dvi-component-hd-and-dvi-capture-board/
Or you go professional right away with a 2000$ card, which you can sometimes get cheap on ebay. Datapath has some pretty awesome cards in that price range.
The Game Broadcaster HD also has no Color Space problems, so you are good to go. Just get a good hdmi splitter with it and you can still use hdmi as normal. Console to Splitter and then Splitter to TV and Cap Card.
As the advertising says input can be up to full 1080p 60fps, but it will only record at 30fps. Which is what every other card in this price segment also does, unless it does not even support full 1080p input or is the Live Gamer HD by avermedia which has a color space problem but can downscale 1080p60fps natively to 720p60fps which other cards do not allow you. So its a trade off.
To get a "better" device that either allows RGB input (which will be changed to YUV anyway) or that allows you to input 1080p60 and record it at 60fps, you will have to pay above 200$, probably above 250. For example:
http://www.solarisjapan.com/xcapture-1-usb-3-0-hd-capture-unit/
http://www.solarisjapan.com/sc-512n1-l-dvi-component-hd-and-dvi-capture-board/
Or you go professional right away with a 2000$ card, which you can sometimes get cheap on ebay. Datapath has some pretty awesome cards in that price range.
Jack0r
The Helping Squad
Hmm a console setup often looks like this:
http://www.helping-squad.com/setup-console-streaming/
The xcapture and sc512 are not available on amazon as far as I know :) But I can really recommend the Game Broadcaster as I use it myself.
Edit: hmm, link is working for me :/
http://www.helping-squad.com/setup-console-streaming/
The xcapture and sc512 are not available on amazon as far as I know :) But I can really recommend the Game Broadcaster as I use it myself.
Edit: hmm, link is working for me :/
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FerretBomb
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Er, no. Some companies actually advertise what their cards can do, instead of weasel-wording to give the impression that it can do more, and preying on people who don't know any better like AVerMedia does. And the LGHD definitely has color-space issues; I'm pretty certain the GBHD does as well, given that it appears to be the low-end package version of the LGHD.
Yeah, I guess if you're dealing with 'starter' cards, you have to expect poor quality, marketing lies, and workarounds. :)
Personally I'd rate the SC-512N1 higher than the older Datapath cards. The DP cards do have a native input plugin for OBS so capture with less latency and overhead, and the newest model can capture in 4K modes. But beyond that, you're limited to one or two DVI inputs (if you splash out), sticking you with an upscaler for any retro consoles. Plus the four digit price tag of course.
With the newest StarTech drivers, the SC has a capture rate between 20-100ms, no sad-sack 1500ms like with certain starter-grade cards. And the RGB capture appears to be native. Yes, eventually it'll get converted over by OBS when it's being encoded. But hopefully a bit better than AVerMedia's junk does it. And nope, they aren't available on Amazon. Not really a mass-market card, and even with only one outlet at Solaris they already have trouble producing enough to keep them in stock regularly.
All that said, there's nothing wrong with getting a starter card. It lets you get a feel for things, and try stuff out without as large of a bite. But eventually you drop the schlock or sell it off to someone else just getting into casting, and step up to something that costs a little more, but actually gives you some real bang for your buck. :)
Jack0r
The Helping Squad
Avermedia advertises everything correctly on their homepage. I have never seen any false information there. If it can only record 30 fps at 1080p, its listed. If you see the Amazon naming of some reseller as "weasel wording" by Avermedia then you are just wrong.
The Game Broadcaster HD also is not the "low-end" package. It came out one or two years before the Live Gamer and uses normal YUV color input. As mentioned, I have one and know it.
Even their USB devices, which I normally never recommend, work just fine. And they clearly state that you need a Intel/Renesas USB 3.0 chip for full speed, which I have seen other companies "forget".
I would range them at the upper end for a "normal" streaming setup at home. The SC-512 and X-Capture are more for an enthusiast streamer, and the Datapath cards are for people that want to go over the top and capture at 240fps or something. Not sure why you say "older" Datapath cards when they also have new ones.
And I am not sure which "sad-sack" "starter-grade" cards you mean, maybe ones that encode? The maximum delay I see for my Game Broadcaster HD is in the 200ms range, its certainly playable in a few games, although it was never intended to be used that way in the first place. But I used it to play SNES games for a long time.
Its also not "eventually", its definitely that OBS will convert the signal to YUV. :)
The Game Broadcaster HD also is not the "low-end" package. It came out one or two years before the Live Gamer and uses normal YUV color input. As mentioned, I have one and know it.
Even their USB devices, which I normally never recommend, work just fine. And they clearly state that you need a Intel/Renesas USB 3.0 chip for full speed, which I have seen other companies "forget".
I would range them at the upper end for a "normal" streaming setup at home. The SC-512 and X-Capture are more for an enthusiast streamer, and the Datapath cards are for people that want to go over the top and capture at 240fps or something. Not sure why you say "older" Datapath cards when they also have new ones.
And I am not sure which "sad-sack" "starter-grade" cards you mean, maybe ones that encode? The maximum delay I see for my Game Broadcaster HD is in the 200ms range, its certainly playable in a few games, although it was never intended to be used that way in the first place. But I used it to play SNES games for a long time.
Its also not "eventually", its definitely that OBS will convert the signal to YUV. :)
paibox
heros in an halfshel
FerretBomb, I'm not sure why you even compare the SC-512 to the Datapath cards, they're two completely different things. I'm not sure what you mean by "the RGB capture appears to be native", there isn't enough bandwidth for native RGB capture for many of the resolutions supported by the card. If you're referring to the RGB24/32 output in the newer beta drivers, that's just upsampled from YUY2 in software, there's no other way to handle it even with a 2.0 PCI Express 1x card. As for the Datapath cards, they're all either 2x or 4x, which is how they have the bandwidth to do actual uncompressed RGB capture.
The AVerMedia cards definitely do not typically have 1500 ms of delay, unless you're referring to the Live Gamer Portable, which has this delay because it outputs encoded video, and USB 2.0 capture devices have never been widely recommended here.
It's fine to like Micomsoft's cards, they're great, but there's no point in mud-slinging other (perhaps more affordable, depending on the situation) options like that.
The AVerMedia cards definitely do not typically have 1500 ms of delay, unless you're referring to the Live Gamer Portable, which has this delay because it outputs encoded video, and USB 2.0 capture devices have never been widely recommended here.
It's fine to like Micomsoft's cards, they're great, but there's no point in mud-slinging other (perhaps more affordable, depending on the situation) options like that.
FerretBomb
Active Member
Interesting, as I'm getting a noticeable visual difference on reds in the preview going between the two modes. RGB24 and 32 seem quite a bit more vibrant and maintain smooth fields. Must be the upsampling jiggling it and a healthy dose of psychosomatism then.
Nah, I've had a problem with AVerMedia's gear for a while now (since well before picking up my cap card), when they toss '1080P@60FPS' up front in 50-point font, and then hide '*input accepted, only captures at 30fps' in 5-point on the back of the box under the UPC. Or go on about the hardware encoder offloading CPU usage, which looks terrible and only works with their software. This isn't hardware jingoism, this is disliking AverMedia's advertisement practices on their own.
Nah, I've had a problem with AVerMedia's gear for a while now (since well before picking up my cap card), when they toss '1080P@60FPS' up front in 50-point font, and then hide '*input accepted, only captures at 30fps' in 5-point on the back of the box under the UPC. Or go on about the hardware encoder offloading CPU usage, which looks terrible and only works with their software. This isn't hardware jingoism, this is disliking AverMedia's advertisement practices on their own.
Guys I just wanted to know if this http://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-Rec...UTF8&qid=1402587319&sr=8-2&keywords=avermedia was right for me if i wanted to stream my xbox one.
paibox
heros in an halfshel
FerretBomb already answered that question for you on the very first line of his first post.
I can recap for you:
"Plug it in via HDMI. Add the card as a video capture device. Yes, it is."
That is, you can use it to capture your Xbox One.
If it's right for you, only you would know for sure. They've already listed alternatives and pointed out the flaws (the sub-optimal color space this particular card uses), but it will most definitely work.
I can recap for you:
"Plug it in via HDMI. Add the card as a video capture device. Yes, it is."
That is, you can use it to capture your Xbox One.
If it's right for you, only you would know for sure. They've already listed alternatives and pointed out the flaws (the sub-optimal color space this particular card uses), but it will most definitely work.