Question / Help A better streaming site than twitch?

[KittyKitsune]

I couldn't find this anywhere, and i have googled this many times now aswell. I hate the delay on twitch, for talking to people watching. I have "excellent" broadcast settings and optimized OBS as much as the guides on this forum allows for.

But from all my googling i understand that the delay on twitch is twitch'es fault. So my question is if anyone know of a way to broadcast my game, with audio, without the huge delay. in my case (20-40 seconds), it doesn't have to be website or what not, i don't have a lot of followers just some close friends.

 

[Vaughn Whiskey]

Twitch has viewers, that's pretty much the only thing going for it right now with all the issues lol. The ones I know of are
hitbox ( Never tried this site but seems to have fair quailty but little to no viewers )
Ustream ( Good quailty but awful streaming panel and low viewers )
YouTube ( Need to have enough subs and views to unlock live streaming )
GoodGame.ru ( Russian....pretty much a no go for most people )
Livestream ( I honestly don't know if they have a section for Gaming but people do stream on there )
Justin.tv ( Twitch was born from this site, People still play games on it )


But these are still not as good as Twitch. Twitch has dominated the streaming market for gamers.

There was a esports streaming site for mostly LoL and SC2 but I can't remember it.

 

[KittyKitsune]

I actually tried youtube, the problem is that youtube now has the same build in delay as twitch, the amount of people on the site doesn't really matter to me, as it will be mostly private. All I really want is a site that doesn't give you an extra 20 seconds delay hehe, thank you for the post though. I'd still like to know if anyone has experience with a site without delay.

 

[Vaughn Whiskey]

Delay is a natural thing with streaming. No matter what site you use, you will have some sort of delay. The only to combat this is inviting your friends over to your house and watching you to play.

 

[Jack0r]

Well, twitch and youtube are the only ones with a big delay, to my knowledge. On hitbox for example you definitely just get a very small delay of 2-5 seconds.

 

[KittyKitsune]

Thank you i will try hitbox then

 

[AndehX]

Twitch is terrible these days, the delay and choppiness of video makes twitch a shell of what it used to be.

Hitbox is the best alternative by far. Nowhere near as many viewers as Twitch, but it has a very short delay, and silky smooth video

 

[KittyKitsune]

I just started my stream, and so far i am having less than 4-7 seconds delay, this is a huge improvement, meaning i can actually interact now. I appreciate the help =] yay for OBS forums

 

[unseeingeye]

Do the options other than youtube provide user selectable resolution? I think that may be the cause of the youtube delay.

For the record you don't need any subs or views on Youtube any more, just have to be verified and in good standing and they will switch it on (can take a while). I've got a channel with no subs or videos let alone views that has been enabled for live streaming.

 

[Jack0r]

A nice, yea hitbox also seemed pretty stable the last weeks/months, so its a good alternative to twitch.

The transcoding can be done pretty much live, adding 1 or 2 seconds, so that is probably not the reason. Maybe they run a check on the footage for restricted content before sending it out to youtube.

 

[FerretBomb]

YouTube also uses HLS, which is what Twitch switched to to save money (as HLS streams can be offloaded to CDN servers, who deal exclusively in massive bandwidth and so can negotiate better throughput pricing). HLS breaks up a stream into 4-6 second file-chunks, and the viewer application needs to buffer between 2-10 of these to ensure smooth playback. And if you run out of chunks, it increases the number it requires in-buffer (extending the delay). Unfortunately this is a basic part of how HLS works, so at-best, the HLS delay will be no lower than about 12-15 seconds. Ever.

Hitbox still uses RTMP, which usually has a 3-10 second delay depending on how clean your connection to the replication server actually is, and if it has to do any transcoding (which means a longer delay).

Sadly, I don't really see Hitbox gaining too much ground. You can still go there during prime-time US hours, and manually count up the total number of people watching streams on the site just by adding up the channels' view counts. I have been keeping an eye on this due to some of Twitch's more annoying decisions lately (like ignoring the streamers' desires, breaking shit all over the damn place, and failure to enforce their ToS consistently), and a 'good weekday' seems to peak at around 1000 viewers on the entire site. Currently, they're well under 1600 starting into US-prime on a Saturday. Highest I've ever seen didn't break 2000.