Question / Help Worth buying i7 for streaming?
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depends on what mainboard you have and what your budget is a i7 2nd gen is enough for 720@60 and 1080@30 without a problem either the 2600k or 2700k are just lovely and easy to oc to at least around 4,2ghz and cost like 230-250 bucks since its sandy bridge but for the future id suggest to invest the money for an haswell just to secure the future for like 1-2 more years of high end desktop/gaming performance.
well motherboard is literally the same since its both lga 1150 and same chipset its just the question about the overall performance because for example 720p@60 with an i5 and playing bf3 is going to be quite hard but lol and diablo 3 shouldnt be any problem i've been streaming these games with my i5 2500k id suggest going with an i7 4770k to spend the 70 more bucks and dont even have to bother about will it be enough or not also i7 will always be more future proof
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Actually the i7 920 is a LGA1366 socket, not 1150. Also comes clocked fairly low (2.67GHz). Last I'd checked, they also had SEVERE problems with getting a stable overclock past 3GHz or so, but it appears that either a later revision fixed that, a new motherboard chipset, or some other 'secret sauce' as a search turned up a number of stable 4GHz OCs.
You'll save money, but be unable to upgrade later, following this path.
I'd normally recommend going with the latest revision, but the Haswell C1 line have been shown to have stepping issues; wait for the C2, and only buy in IF it has actually been fixed.
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/news/art ... oryid=6578
http://modcrash.com/intel-haswell-cpu-r ... ion-worse/
If it was me, I'd wait a few months and then jump on a socket LGA1150 motherboard and an i5 (or save up for those few months and go straight to a C2 Haswell i7).
But I'm able to stream on my non-OC'd i7-920 at 720@60 or 1080@30 on Veryfast with sub-70% utilization for most simplish games (SMB, Isaac, Rogue Legacy, Don't Starve, etc); only really run into any stutter on super fast motion games (Hawken). If you're planning to stream Planetside2 or a similar extremely poorly-optimized game, you'll be unlikely to get by.
You'll save money, but be unable to upgrade later, following this path.
I'd normally recommend going with the latest revision, but the Haswell C1 line have been shown to have stepping issues; wait for the C2, and only buy in IF it has actually been fixed.
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/news/art ... oryid=6578
http://modcrash.com/intel-haswell-cpu-r ... ion-worse/
If it was me, I'd wait a few months and then jump on a socket LGA1150 motherboard and an i5 (or save up for those few months and go straight to a C2 Haswell i7).
But I'm able to stream on my non-OC'd i7-920 at 720@60 or 1080@30 on Veryfast with sub-70% utilization for most simplish games (SMB, Isaac, Rogue Legacy, Don't Starve, etc); only really run into any stutter on super fast motion games (Hawken). If you're planning to stream Planetside2 or a similar extremely poorly-optimized game, you'll be unlikely to get by.
im from poland and here 70$ is not cheap ;p
im thinking about 4th i5 and 2nd i7 couse they are similar prices
also if i wont get any differences between i7 920 rev D0 (can be overclocked up to 4 GHZ) and 2600k probably i would choose cheaper one, 1155 is already dead too so im choosing between i7 on dead platform and i5 on launched platform that is my problem couse i dont know is this newest i5 can handle streaming bf3 if not 720p@60 fps than 720@30 at BF3?
i dont have enough money for 4770k i know its best choice but...
im thinking about 4th i5 and 2nd i7 couse they are similar prices
also if i wont get any differences between i7 920 rev D0 (can be overclocked up to 4 GHZ) and 2600k probably i would choose cheaper one, 1155 is already dead too so im choosing between i7 on dead platform and i5 on launched platform that is my problem couse i dont know is this newest i5 can handle streaming bf3 if not 720p@60 fps than 720@30 at BF3?
i dont have enough money for 4770k i know its best choice but...
It's not just about getting the best CPU you can afford, it's about synergy. I'm on an i5 760 here, so quite an oldy by now (almost 3 years old now) but it has very little trouble streaming in 1080p @ 30 FPS. Why? Because my PC has good synergy. The motherboard is very good, the CPU is acceptable, the GPU is still quite nice and it all comes together like that.
Anyhow, do you need an i7 to stream? No, not necessarily. Although that does depend a bit on the game you want to stream and the exact quality you want to stream it in. But still, it is not a requirement.
Anyhow, do you need an i7 to stream? No, not necessarily. Although that does depend a bit on the game you want to stream and the exact quality you want to stream it in. But still, it is not a requirement.
People. consider buying A LOT cheaper Xeon but still as powerful as stock i7. They are both 4 core 8 thread CPUs.
E3-1230V2 (ivy) or E3-1230V3 (haswell)
Pros:
- costs the same as i5 3570k/4670k
- equal in power with i7 3770/4770
- 4 cores 8 threads
- Runs fine on cheap B75/H77 (ivy) or B85/H87 (haswell) board
- can be overclocked up to 3,8GHz - 4,1GHz by changing the base clock up from 100MHz (112MHz for 4,1GHz)
- lower power consumption
Cons:
- Doesn't have an iGPU
- No Quicksync support since no iGPU
- (for overclockers: limited oveclockability)
E3-1245V2 (ivy) or E3-1245V3 (haswell)
Pros:
- costs a little more than i5 3570k/4670k
- equal in power with i7 3770/4770
- 4 cores 8 threads
- Does have an iGPU (HD P4000 (ivy) or HD 4600 (haswell)) (HD P4000 is 100% same as HD 4000.)
- Quicksync support
- Runs fine on cheap B75/H77 (ivy) or B85/H87 (haswell) board
- can be overclocked up to 3,8GHz - 4,1GHz by changing the base clock up from 100MHz (112MHz for 4,1GHz)
- lower power consumption
Cons:
- (for overclockers: limited oveclockability)
E3-1230V2 (ivy) or E3-1230V3 (haswell)
Pros:
- costs the same as i5 3570k/4670k
- equal in power with i7 3770/4770
- 4 cores 8 threads
- Runs fine on cheap B75/H77 (ivy) or B85/H87 (haswell) board
- can be overclocked up to 3,8GHz - 4,1GHz by changing the base clock up from 100MHz (112MHz for 4,1GHz)
- lower power consumption
Cons:
- Doesn't have an iGPU
- No Quicksync support since no iGPU
- (for overclockers: limited oveclockability)
E3-1245V2 (ivy) or E3-1245V3 (haswell)
Pros:
- costs a little more than i5 3570k/4670k
- equal in power with i7 3770/4770
- 4 cores 8 threads
- Does have an iGPU (HD P4000 (ivy) or HD 4600 (haswell)) (HD P4000 is 100% same as HD 4000.)
- Quicksync support
- Runs fine on cheap B75/H77 (ivy) or B85/H87 (haswell) board
- can be overclocked up to 3,8GHz - 4,1GHz by changing the base clock up from 100MHz (112MHz for 4,1GHz)
- lower power consumption
Cons:
- (for overclockers: limited oveclockability)
i usually dont suggest xeons on a forum to not get shittalked ... if you would have msged me via pm id suggested you an xeon if you try to save money but want performance like an actual i7 since its the same cpu architecture.
you actually dont have to care about oc'ing they will do just fine you wont run in any real problem in case of performance.
you actually dont have to care about oc'ing they will do just fine you wont run in any real problem in case of performance.
Yeah it's actually pretty funny that every i3, i5, i7 and Xeon CPUs (within same generation and socket) are physically 100% the same CPU. This way they save money because they can use same production lines. All the differences between models are made by a firmware (which cannot be accessed by the user) or physically or if there was a chip with:alpinlol said:
a) faulty core it can be used as 2 core i3/i5
b) faulty iGPU it can be used as iGPUless Xeon
they can also disable some shaders from the iGPU to get the difference between HD 2500 and HD 4000
For example E3-1230V2/V3 really has a iGPU but it's disabled. i3 really has 4 cores and 8 threads but 2 of the cores are disabled which leaves 2 cores and 4 threads.
Same applies to AMD FX CPUs. Everyone of them has 8 cores but they disable 2 of them to get for example FX-6300.
Even some AMD Phenom II x4 processors can be unlocked to a Phenom II x6 processor which confirms they are physically the same CPU. Those processors that can be unlocked has a firmware bug that allows it.
I agree with that. If i was going to build a dedicated stream pc, i'd choose a Xeon E3-1245V3 since it has enough power for streaming at stock speeds.
Edit: Here is the die of the E3-1230V2. You can clearly see that it has the iGPU but it's just disabled by firmware. This is basically the die of the every socket 1155 Ivy bridge CPU
Well if you oc 2600k to 4,5GHz you get equal performance with 3770k@4,2GHz. And ivy goes easily 4,5GHz with decent cooler.
For socket 1155/1150 xeons mobos are cheaper. For example e3-1230V2 goes well with B75/H77 board or e3-1230V3 with B85/H87 board. Just check the cpu support list before buying a mobo for Xeon. (Some (really few) boards do not have official support for xeon in their bioses. Still even some those without official support works fine)
For socket 1155/1150 xeons mobos are cheaper. For example e3-1230V2 goes well with B75/H77 board or e3-1230V3 with B85/H87 board. Just check the cpu support list before buying a mobo for Xeon. (Some (really few) boards do not have official support for xeon in their bioses. Still even some those without official support works fine)
ivys arent really hotter if you remove the ihs and replace the shit quality thermalpaste in it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic5buuVh5BQ
but yeah dont really need that 2600k will do just fine some decent after market air cooler or even a h100i and you can go on 4,5ghz with EEEEEZZZZ
but yeah dont really need that 2600k will do just fine some decent after market air cooler or even a h100i and you can go on 4,5ghz with EEEEEZZZZ
my mind is just getting hot every day, some of guys told me that for streaming i dont need i7 for good performance and i5 4670k can handle 1080p streaming and i can stream bf3 and League of Legends with 60 FPS is that true? can i? if yes i would like to take 1150 mby in the future i can get better cpu without changing MOBO?
Well 4 core 8 thread 2600k/3770k/E3-1230V2 (or 1245V2 if you need igpu and/or quicksync) will be better if you play and stream on the same pc. On 4 core 4 thread 2500k/3570k/4670k the game and encoding will be done on same threads so 1080p stream WILL kill your in-game fps.
So if those are your last two choises and you are on budget:
A) Take 2600k if you're going to play and stream on same pc
B) take i5 if you're building a dedicated stream pc
C) take 2600k in both cases.
I'd choose option C. Or trying to find used 3770k before buying 2600k. Cpu is the hardest part to ruin thanks to all the safety settings for cpus nowadays so buing used cpu is totally safe. (Just make sure the seller hasn't opened the IHS cause that'll take the warranty.)
You can buy used 3770k. You can get one easily for 200€ as i understood that's your budget.
So if those are your last two choises and you are on budget:
A) Take 2600k if you're going to play and stream on same pc
B) take i5 if you're building a dedicated stream pc
C) take 2600k in both cases.
I'd choose option C. Or trying to find used 3770k before buying 2600k. Cpu is the hardest part to ruin thanks to all the safety settings for cpus nowadays so buing used cpu is totally safe. (Just make sure the seller hasn't opened the IHS cause that'll take the warranty.)
You can buy used 3770k. You can get one easily for 200€ as i understood that's your budget.