Question / Help Which one looks better

[PINHEAD49]

Hey, wanna ask you which of those streams looks better. The first one has 720p at fast preset and the second 540p at medium preset. Both streams with 2k bitrate, cbr enabled at 30fps.

http://www.twitch.tv/pinhead49/b/448101276 - 720p, fast preset
http://www.twitch.tv/pinhead49/b/448098818 - 540p, medium preset

Thank you :)

 

[PINHEAD49]

and here is 720p@60fps with 2k bitrate cbr aswell http://www.twitch.tv/pinhead49/b/448157897

 

[alpinlol]

could you also add a log for each stream test? just to see what your cpu did and so on ... since i even liked the quality of the 540p stream

 

[PINHEAD49]

540p@30fps medium preset

Spoiler

14:03:47: Settings::Video: Enabling Aero
14:04:39: Open Broadcaster Software v0.552b - 64bit (　^ω^)
14:04:39: -------------------------------
14:04:39: CPU Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz
14:04:39: CPU Speed: 3309MHz
14:04:39: Physical Memory: 8109MB Total, 4621MB Free
14:04:39: stepping id: 7, model 10, family 6, type 0, extmodel 1, extfamily 0, HTT 1, logical cores 4, total cores 4
14:04:39: monitor 1: pos={0, 0}, size={1920, 1080}
14:04:39: Windows Version: 6.1 Build 7601 S
14:04:39: Aero is Enabled
14:04:39: -------------------------------
14:04:39: OBS Modules:
14:04:39: Base Address Module
14:04:39: 000000003F560000 OBS.exe
14:04:39: 00000000F1660000 OBSApi.dll
14:04:39: 00000000F3660000 DShowPlugin.dll
14:04:39: 00000000F1630000 GraphicsCapture.dll
14:04:39: 00000000F3640000 NoiseGate.dll
14:04:39: 00000000F3570000 PSVPlugin.dll
14:04:39: ------------------------------------------
14:04:39: Adapter 1
14:04:39: Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti
14:04:39: Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 2091319296
14:04:39: Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 2147807232
14:04:39: ------------------------------------------
14:04:39: Adapter 2
14:04:39: Video Adapter: Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000
14:04:39: Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 67108864
14:04:39: Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 1711276032
14:04:39: Using fixed low latency mode, factor 20
14:04:39: =====Stream Start: 2013-08-19, 14:04:39===============================================
14:04:39: Multithreaded optimizations: On
14:04:39: Base resolution: 1920x1080
14:04:39: Output resolution: 960x540
14:04:39: ------------------------------------------
14:04:39: Loading up D3D10 on NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti...
14:04:39: Playback device Default
14:04:39: ------------------------------------------
14:04:39: Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (C-Media PCI Audio Device)
14:04:39: Using 5.1 surround speaker setup
14:04:39: ------------------------------------------
14:04:39: Using auxilary audio input: Tischmikrofon (HD-5000 - Microsoft LifeCam.)
14:04:39: ------------------------------------------
14:04:39: Audio Encoding: AAC
14:04:39: bitrate: 96
14:04:39: Using graphics capture
14:04:39: ------------------------------------------
14:04:39: Video Encoding: x264
14:04:39: fps: 30
14:04:39: width: 960, height: 540
14:04:39: preset: medium
14:04:39: CBR: yes
14:04:39: CFR: no
14:04:39: max bitrate: 2000
14:04:39: ------------------------------------------
14:04:39: MMDeviceAudioSource: Frequency for device 'Lautsprecher (C-Media PCI Audio Device)' is 1058400, samples per sec is 44100
14:04:39: MMDeviceAudioSource: Frequency for device 'Tischmikrofon (HD-5000 - Microsoft LifeCam.)' is 176400, samples per sec is 44100
14:04:42: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
14:04:42: Server selection: rtmp://live-fra.justin.tv/app
14:04:42: Interface: Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller (ethernet, 1000 mbps)
14:04:43: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
14:04:43: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
14:05:11: Using graphics capture
14:05:33: Using Window Capture
14:06:23: RTMPPublisher::Socketloop: Increasing send buffer to ISB 131072 (buffer: 1102 / 268288)
14:06:34: RTMPPublisher::Socketloop: Increasing send buffer to ISB 262144 (buffer: 0 / 268288)
14:10:48: Total frames rendered: 11043, number of late frames: 24 (0.22%) (it's okay for some frames to be late)
14:10:48: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Graceful loop exit
14:10:48: Number of times waited to send: 0, Waited for a total of 0 bytes
14:10:48: Number of b-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Number of p-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Total 0 (0%)
14:10:48:
14:10:48: Profiler results:
14:10:48:
14:10:48: ==============================================================
14:10:48: frame - [100%] [avg time: 2.463 ms (cpu time: avg 1.042 ms, total 11512.9 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 99.8%] [unaccounted: 0.162%]
14:10:48: | frame preprocessing and rendering - [49.5%] [avg time: 1.22 ms (cpu time: avg 0.357 ms, total 3946.83 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 33.1%] [unaccounted: 16.4%]
14:10:48: | | scene->Preprocess - [33.1%] [avg time: 0.815 ms (cpu time: avg 0.07 ms, total 780.007 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
14:10:48: | video encoding and uploading - [50.3%] [avg time: 1.239 ms (cpu time: avg 0.683 ms, total 7550.45 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 46.7%] [unaccounted: 3.57%]
14:10:48: | | flush - [17.1%] [avg time: 0.42 ms (cpu time: avg 0.042 ms, total 468.003 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
14:10:48: | | CopyResource - [1.46%] [avg time: 0.036 ms (cpu time: avg 0.015 ms, total 171.601 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
14:10:48: | | conversion to 4:2:0 - [0.406%] [avg time: 0.01 ms (cpu time: avg 0.007 ms, total 78 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
14:10:48: | | call to encoder - [26.6%] [avg time: 0.656 ms (cpu time: avg 0.563 ms, total 6224.44 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
14:10:48: | | sending stuff out - [1.18%] [avg time: 0.029 ms (cpu time: avg 0.015 ms, total 171.601 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
14:10:48: | Convert444Threads - [2.7e+003%] [avg time: 66.616 ms (cpu time: avg 0.556 ms, total 6146.44 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
14:10:48: ==============================================================
14:10:48:
14:10:48: =====Stream End: 2013-08-19, 14:10:48=================================================

720p@30fps fast preset

Spoiler

14:14:15: Settings::Video: Enabling Aero
14:14:19: Using fixed low latency mode, factor 20
14:14:19: =====Stream Start: 2013-08-19, 14:14:19===============================================
14:14:19: Multithreaded optimizations: On
14:14:19: Base resolution: 1920x1080
14:14:19: Output resolution: 1280x720
14:14:19: ------------------------------------------
14:14:19: Loading up D3D10 on NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti...
14:14:19: Playback device Default
14:14:19: ------------------------------------------
14:14:19: Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (C-Media PCI Audio Device)
14:14:19: Using 5.1 surround speaker setup
14:14:19: ------------------------------------------
14:14:19: Using auxilary audio input: Tischmikrofon (HD-5000 - Microsoft LifeCam.)
14:14:19: ------------------------------------------
14:14:19: Audio Encoding: AAC
14:14:19: bitrate: 96
14:14:19: Using Window Capture
14:14:19: ------------------------------------------
14:14:19: Video Encoding: x264
14:14:19: fps: 30
14:14:19: width: 1280, height: 720
14:14:19: preset: fast
14:14:19: CBR: yes
14:14:19: CFR: no
14:14:19: max bitrate: 2000
14:14:19: ------------------------------------------
14:14:19: MMDeviceAudioSource: Frequency for device 'Lautsprecher (C-Media PCI Audio Device)' is 1058400, samples per sec is 44100
14:14:19: MMDeviceAudioSource: Frequency for device 'Tischmikrofon (HD-5000 - Microsoft LifeCam.)' is 176400, samples per sec is 44100
14:14:21: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
14:14:21: Server selection: rtmp://live-fra.justin.tv/app
14:14:21: Interface: Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller (ethernet, 1000 mbps)
14:14:23: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
14:14:23: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
14:14:27: RTMPPublisher::Socketloop: Increasing send buffer to ISB 131072 (buffer: 0 / 268288)
14:19:03: RTMPPublisher::Socketloop: Increasing send buffer to ISB 262144 (buffer: 0 / 268288)
14:20:02: Total frames rendered: 10239, number of late frames: 45 (0.44%) (it's okay for some frames to be late)
14:20:02: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Graceful loop exit
14:20:02: Number of times waited to send: 3, Waited for a total of 7543 bytes
14:20:02: Number of b-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Number of p-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Total 0 (0%)
14:20:02:
14:20:02: Profiler results:
14:20:02:
14:20:02: ==============================================================
14:20:02: frame - [100%] [avg time: 3.569 ms (cpu time: avg 1.456 ms, total 14913.7 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 99.9%] [unaccounted: 0.0841%]
14:20:02: | frame preprocessing and rendering - [59.3%] [avg time: 2.117 ms (cpu time: avg 0.449 ms, total 4602.03 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 47.9%] [unaccounted: 11.4%]
14:20:02: | | scene->Preprocess - [47.9%] [avg time: 1.711 ms (cpu time: avg 0.071 ms, total 733.21 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
14:20:02: | video encoding and uploading - [40.6%] [avg time: 1.449 ms (cpu time: avg 1.007 ms, total 10311.7 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 39%] [unaccounted: 1.6%]
14:20:02: | | flush - [2.58%] [avg time: 0.092 ms (cpu time: avg 0.082 ms, total 842.407 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
14:20:02: | | CopyResource - [1.06%] [avg time: 0.038 ms (cpu time: avg 0.019 ms, total 202.802 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
14:20:02: | | conversion to 4:2:0 - [0.616%] [avg time: 0.022 ms (cpu time: avg 0.001 ms, total 15.6 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
14:20:02: | | call to encoder - [34.1%] [avg time: 1.218 ms (cpu time: avg 0.877 ms, total 8985.66 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
14:20:02: | | sending stuff out - [0.616%] [avg time: 0.022 ms (cpu time: avg 0.012 ms, total 124.801 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
14:20:02: | Convert444Threads - [1.87e+003%] [avg time: 66.784 ms (cpu time: avg 1.011 ms, total 10358.5 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
14:20:02: ==============================================================
14:20:02:
14:20:02: =====Stream End: 2013-08-19, 14:20:02=================================================


Last game capture log:
2013-08-19, 14:05:11: we're booting up:

and 720p@60fps is too much with the "fast" preset for my cpu:

Spoiler

17:14:51: Settings::Video: Enabling Aero
17:15:59: Open Broadcaster Software v0.552b - 64bit (　^ω^)
17:15:59: -------------------------------
17:15:59: CPU Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz
17:15:59: CPU Speed: 3309MHz
17:15:59: Physical Memory: 8109MB Total, 4398MB Free
17:15:59: stepping id: 7, model 10, family 6, type 0, extmodel 1, extfamily 0, HTT 1, logical cores 4, total cores 4
17:15:59: monitor 1: pos={0, 0}, size={1920, 1080}
17:15:59: Windows Version: 6.1 Build 7601 S
17:15:59: Aero is Enabled
17:15:59: -------------------------------
17:15:59: OBS Modules:
17:15:59: Base Address Module
17:15:59: 000000003FF90000 OBS.exe
17:15:59: 00000000E4D60000 OBSApi.dll
17:15:59: 00000000F2450000 DShowPlugin.dll
17:15:59: 00000000F15F0000 GraphicsCapture.dll
17:15:59: 00000000F8FA0000 NoiseGate.dll
17:15:59: 00000000F3540000 PSVPlugin.dll
17:15:59: ------------------------------------------
17:15:59: Adapter 1
17:15:59: Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti
17:15:59: Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 2091319296
17:15:59: Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 2147807232
17:15:59: ------------------------------------------
17:15:59: Adapter 2
17:15:59: Video Adapter: Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000
17:15:59: Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 67108864
17:15:59: Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 1711276032
17:15:59: Using fixed low latency mode, factor 20
17:15:59: =====Stream Start: 2013-08-19, 17:15:59===============================================
17:15:59: Multithreaded optimizations: On
17:15:59: Base resolution: 1920x1080
17:15:59: Output resolution: 1280x720
17:15:59: ------------------------------------------
17:15:59: Loading up D3D10 on NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti...
17:15:59: Playback device Default
17:15:59: ------------------------------------------
17:15:59: Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (C-Media PCI Audio Device)
17:15:59: Using 5.1 surround speaker setup
17:15:59: ------------------------------------------
17:15:59: Using auxilary audio input: Tischmikrofon (HD-5000 - Microsoft LifeCam.)
17:15:59: ------------------------------------------
17:15:59: Audio Encoding: AAC
17:15:59: bitrate: 96
17:15:59: Using Window Capture
17:15:59: ------------------------------------------
17:15:59: Video Encoding: x264
17:15:59: fps: 60
17:15:59: width: 1280, height: 720
17:15:59: preset: fast
17:15:59: CBR: yes
17:15:59: CFR: no
17:15:59: max bitrate: 2000
17:15:59: ------------------------------------------
17:15:59: MMDeviceAudioSource: Frequency for device 'Lautsprecher (C-Media PCI Audio Device)' is 1058400, samples per sec is 44100
17:15:59: MMDeviceAudioSource: Frequency for device 'Tischmikrofon (HD-5000 - Microsoft LifeCam.)' is 176400, samples per sec is 44100
17:16:01: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
17:16:01: Server selection: rtmp://live-fra.justin.tv/app
17:16:01: Interface: Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller (ethernet, 1000 mbps)
17:16:02: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
17:16:02: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
17:16:09: RTMPPublisher::Socketloop: Increasing send buffer to ISB 131072 (buffer: 7695 / 268288)
17:19:01: Total frames rendered: 9763, number of late frames: 1006 (10.30%) (it's okay for some frames to be late)
17:19:01: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Graceful loop exit
17:19:01: Number of times waited to send: 16, Waited for a total of 60880 bytes
17:19:01: Number of b-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Number of p-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Total 0 (0%)
17:19:01:
17:19:01: Profiler results:
17:19:01:
17:19:01: ==============================================================
17:19:01: frame - [100%] [avg time: 7.336 ms (cpu time: avg 1.391 ms, total 13587.7 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 99.9%] [unaccounted: 0.0818%]
17:19:01: | frame preprocessing and rendering - [41.5%] [avg time: 3.043 ms (cpu time: avg 0.378 ms, total 3697.22 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 35.3%] [unaccounted: 6.15%]
17:19:01: | | scene->Preprocess - [35.3%] [avg time: 2.592 ms (cpu time: avg 0.079 ms, total 780.01 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
17:19:01: | video encoding and uploading - [58.4%] [avg time: 4.287 ms (cpu time: avg 1.013 ms, total 9890.46 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 57.4%] [unaccounted: 1.02%]
17:19:01: | | flush - [1.46%] [avg time: 0.107 ms (cpu time: avg 0.063 ms, total 624.003 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
17:19:01: | | CopyResource - [1.27%] [avg time: 0.093 ms (cpu time: avg 0.014 ms, total 140.402 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
17:19:01: | | conversion to 4:2:0 - [0.409%] [avg time: 0.03 ms (cpu time: avg 0.006 ms, total 62.401 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
17:19:01: | | call to encoder - [54%] [avg time: 3.959 ms (cpu time: avg 0.905 ms, total 8845.25 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
17:19:01: | | sending stuff out - [0.314%] [avg time: 0.023 ms (cpu time: avg 0.011 ms, total 109.2 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
17:19:01: | Convert444Threads - [504%] [avg time: 36.988 ms (cpu time: avg 0.955 ms, total 9328.86 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
17:19:01: ==============================================================
17:19:01:
17:19:01: =====Stream End: 2013-08-19, 17:19:01=================================================

 

[alpinlol]

as i thought you had a lot of late frames thats why 720@60 looked quite choppy now and then

i liked the 540p settings really much in case of the quality in an fps game so if you monitored your cpu usage and still got space i'd give 540p@48fps with the medium preset a try and if you are done post a log and the vod i possible of that again just to see if the result was better the same or worse :)

 

[PINHEAD49]

http://www.twitch.tv/pinhead49/b/448172675 Heres the video on 540p@48fps with task manager included.
you can see that it almost maxed out but i had no ingame laggs.

And heres the log. I have no idea if i should use these settings or not.

Spoiler

17:56:26: Open Broadcaster Software v0.552b - 64bit (　^ω^)
17:56:26: -------------------------------
17:56:26: CPU Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz
17:56:26: CPU Speed: 3309MHz
17:56:26: Physical Memory: 8109MB Total, 4568MB Free
17:56:26: stepping id: 7, model 10, family 6, type 0, extmodel 1, extfamily 0, HTT 1, logical cores 4, total cores 4
17:56:26: monitor 1: pos={0, 0}, size={1920, 1080}
17:56:26: Windows Version: 6.1 Build 7601 S
17:56:26: Aero is Enabled
17:56:26: -------------------------------
17:56:26: OBS Modules:
17:56:26: Base Address Module
17:56:26: 000000003F2C0000 OBS.exe
17:56:26: 00000000E4CE0000 OBSApi.dll
17:56:26: 00000000F2450000 DShowPlugin.dll
17:56:26: 00000000F0D30000 GraphicsCapture.dll
17:56:26: 00000000F8FA0000 NoiseGate.dll
17:56:26: 00000000F24D0000 PSVPlugin.dll
17:56:26: ------------------------------------------
17:56:26: Adapter 1
17:56:26: Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti
17:56:26: Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 2091319296
17:56:26: Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 2147807232
17:56:26: ------------------------------------------
17:56:26: Adapter 2
17:56:26: Video Adapter: Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000
17:56:26: Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 67108864
17:56:26: Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 1711276032
17:56:26: Using fixed low latency mode, factor 20
17:56:26: =====Stream Start: 2013-08-19, 17:56:26===============================================
17:56:26: Multithreaded optimizations: On
17:56:26: Base resolution: 1920x1080
17:56:26: Output resolution: 960x540
17:56:26: ------------------------------------------
17:56:26: Loading up D3D10 on NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti...
17:56:26: Playback device Default
17:56:26: ------------------------------------------
17:56:26: Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (C-Media PCI Audio Device)
17:56:26: Using 5.1 surround speaker setup
17:56:26: ------------------------------------------
17:56:26: Using auxilary audio input: Tischmikrofon (HD-5000 - Microsoft LifeCam.)
17:56:26: ------------------------------------------
17:56:26: Audio Encoding: AAC
17:56:26: bitrate: 96
17:56:26: Using Window Capture
17:56:26: Using Window Capture
17:56:26: ------------------------------------------
17:56:26: Video Encoding: x264
17:56:26: fps: 48
17:56:26: width: 960, height: 540
17:56:26: preset: medium
17:56:26: CBR: yes
17:56:26: CFR: no
17:56:26: max bitrate: 2000
17:56:26: ------------------------------------------
17:56:26: MMDeviceAudioSource: Frequency for device 'Lautsprecher (C-Media PCI Audio Device)' is 1058400, samples per sec is 44100
17:56:26: MMDeviceAudioSource: Frequency for device 'Tischmikrofon (HD-5000 - Microsoft LifeCam.)' is 176400, samples per sec is 44100
17:56:28: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
17:56:28: Server selection: rtmp://live-fra.justin.tv/app
17:56:28: Interface: Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller (ethernet, 1000 mbps)
17:56:30: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
17:56:30: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
17:56:43: RTMPPublisher::Socketloop: Increasing send buffer to ISB 131072 (buffer: 108679 / 268288)
17:56:46: RTMPPublisher::Socketloop: Increasing send buffer to ISB 262144 (buffer: 95768 / 268288)
18:00:18: Total frames rendered: 10404, number of late frames: 937 (9.01%) (it's okay for some frames to be late)
18:00:19: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Graceful loop exit
18:00:19: Number of times waited to send: 1084, Waited for a total of 3719418 bytes
18:00:19: Number of b-frames dropped: 303 (3%), Number of p-frames dropped: 101 (0.99%), Total 404 (3.9%)
18:00:19:
18:00:19: Profiler results:
18:00:19:
18:00:19: ==============================================================
18:00:19: frame - [100%] [avg time: 9.435 ms (cpu time: avg 1.033 ms, total 10748.5 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 99.9%] [unaccounted: 0.127%]
18:00:19: | frame preprocessing and rendering - [72.1%] [avg time: 6.807 ms (cpu time: avg 0.416 ms, total 4336.83 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 69.6%] [unaccounted: 2.54%]
18:00:19: | | scene->Preprocess - [69.6%] [avg time: 6.567 ms (cpu time: avg 0.241 ms, total 2511.62 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
18:00:19: | video encoding and uploading - [27.7%] [avg time: 2.616 ms (cpu time: avg 0.611 ms, total 6364.83 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 27%] [unaccounted: 0.774%]
18:00:19: | | flush - [1.47%] [avg time: 0.139 ms (cpu time: avg 0.067 ms, total 702.002 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
18:00:19: | | CopyResource - [7.05%] [avg time: 0.665 ms (cpu time: avg 0.011 ms, total 124.801 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
18:00:19: | | conversion to 4:2:0 - [0.329%] [avg time: 0.031 ms (cpu time: avg 0.002 ms, total 31.2 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
18:00:19: | | call to encoder - [17.7%] [avg time: 1.669 ms (cpu time: avg 0.506 ms, total 5272.83 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
18:00:19: | | sending stuff out - [0.413%] [avg time: 0.039 ms (cpu time: avg 0.014 ms, total 156 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
18:00:19: | Convert444Threads - [471%] [avg time: 44.458 ms (cpu time: avg 0.499 ms, total 5194.83 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
18:00:19: ==============================================================
18:00:19:
18:00:19: =====Stream End: 2013-08-19, 18:00:19=================================================

Edit: Oh, the stream is lagging a bit, so thats not a good choice

 

[alpinlol]

thats what i thought have you tried 540@60 on veryfast preset?
i mean i only ask about those settings because at this point its all about testing stuff to get the sweetspot.

as i said the 540@30 was good but im looking for something for you which actually works with an fps game because fps games start looking really smooth at usually 48fps you might also consider to try another option with 540@48@faster preset because medium is really cpu demanding

 

[PINHEAD49]

http://www.twitch.tv/pinhead49/b/448189138

But i can't see much differences between 48 and 30 fps.
I don't prefer FPS games, i also play mmorpgs like guild wars 2 or sport games like fifa.

Spoiler

18:42:21: =====Stream Start: 2013-08-19, 18:42:21===============================================
18:42:21: Multithreaded optimizations: On
18:42:21: Base resolution: 1920x1080
18:42:21: Output resolution: 960x540
18:42:21: ------------------------------------------
18:42:21: Loading up D3D10 on NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti...
18:42:22: Playback device Default
18:42:22: ------------------------------------------
18:42:22: Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (C-Media PCI Audio Device)
18:42:22: Using 5.1 surround speaker setup
18:42:22: ------------------------------------------
18:42:22: Using auxilary audio input: Tischmikrofon (HD-5000 - Microsoft LifeCam.)
18:42:22: ------------------------------------------
18:42:22: Audio Encoding: AAC
18:42:22: bitrate: 96
18:42:22: Using Window Capture
18:42:22: Using Window Capture
18:42:22: ------------------------------------------
18:42:22: Video Encoding: x264
18:42:22: fps: 60
18:42:22: width: 960, height: 540
18:42:22: preset: veryfast
18:42:22: CBR: yes
18:42:22: CFR: no
18:42:22: max bitrate: 2000
18:42:22: ------------------------------------------
18:42:22: MMDeviceAudioSource: Frequency for device 'Lautsprecher (C-Media PCI Audio Device)' is 1058400, samples per sec is 44100
18:42:22: MMDeviceAudioSource: Frequency for device 'Tischmikrofon (HD-5000 - Microsoft LifeCam.)' is 176400, samples per sec is 44100
18:42:23: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
18:42:23: Server selection: rtmp://live-fra.justin.tv/app
18:42:23: Interface: Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller (ethernet, 1000 mbps)
18:42:24: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
18:42:24: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
18:43:35: RTMPPublisher::Socketloop: Increasing send buffer to ISB 131072 (buffer: 0 / 268288)
18:43:41: RTMPPublisher::Socketloop: Increasing send buffer to ISB 262144 (buffer: 65480 / 268288)
18:44:10: Total frames rendered: 6396, number of late frames: 68 (1.06%) (it's okay for some frames to be late)
18:44:10: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Graceful loop exit
18:44:10: Number of times waited to send: 0, Waited for a total of 0 bytes
18:44:10: Number of b-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Number of p-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Total 0 (0%)
18:44:10:
18:44:10: Profiler results:
18:44:10:
18:44:10: ==============================================================
18:44:10: frame - [100%] [avg time: 4.426 ms (cpu time: avg 1.06 ms, total 6786.05 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 99.9%] [unaccounted: 0.113%]
18:44:10: | frame preprocessing and rendering - [76.7%] [avg time: 3.395 ms (cpu time: avg 0.514 ms, total 3291.62 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 67.4%] [unaccounted: 9.35%]
18:44:10: | | scene->Preprocess - [67.4%] [avg time: 2.981 ms (cpu time: avg 0.141 ms, total 904.804 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
18:44:10: | video encoding and uploading - [23.2%] [avg time: 1.026 ms (cpu time: avg 0.546 ms, total 3494.43 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 18.7%] [unaccounted: 4.45%]
18:44:10: | | flush - [3.16%] [avg time: 0.14 ms (cpu time: avg 0.039 ms, total 249.603 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
18:44:10: | | CopyResource - [0.474%] [avg time: 0.021 ms (cpu time: avg 0.012 ms, total 78 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
18:44:10: | | conversion to 4:2:0 - [1.08%] [avg time: 0.048 ms (cpu time: avg 0.012 ms, total 78.001 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
18:44:10: | | call to encoder - [13.6%] [avg time: 0.601 ms (cpu time: avg 0.475 ms, total 3042.03 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
18:44:10: | | sending stuff out - [0.429%] [avg time: 0.019 ms (cpu time: avg 0.007 ms, total 46.8 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
18:44:10: | Convert444Threads - [758%] [avg time: 33.55 ms (cpu time: avg 0.429 ms, total 2745.62 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
18:44:10: ==============================================================
18:44:10:
18:44:10: =====Stream End: 2013-08-19, 18:44:10=================================================

 

[alpinlol]

yep theres a lot of difference ... if you cant see it try to watch both at the same time.

i'd say the 540@48 is your sweetspot at least in case of blacklight retribution on mmosrpgs im not sure ... you gotta try it and do a vod same with fifa.

but in my opinion as far as fps games go 540@48 is your sweetspot with those settings maybe kharay will give some input or someone else

 

[PINHEAD49]

Okay thank you so far. I compared both, but i can't see it :D But i go for 540@48fps veryfast preset

 

[alpinlol]

as long as your cpu doesnt peak at 100% because the log was with the default preset and looked like there wasnt much quality loss

 

[PINHEAD49]

So i can say for improving quality is 60 fps better than a slower x264 preset?

 

[alpinlol]

well the 60 fps is a way smoother feeling for the eye and much more enjoyable especially on fps games and also on high motion mmorpgs but you need actually a decent cpu gpu combination to not get late frames like you did with 720@60 but 48 is a sweetspot incase of fps for a lot of systems.

the picture itself gets worse the higher fps you stream at if your bitrate cant fix it but its at the end most of the times still a higher quality because the eye reacts different to the frames

 

[PINHEAD49]

ok, i guess my eyes are broken :D

anyway, 21:51:31: Total frames rendered: 137504, number of late frames: 43 (0.03%) (it's okay for some frames to be late) on 540p@60fps fast preset while streaming cs:s for 40 minutes. it seems ok, but i will change the preset to veryfast i guess. i'll try to find a good balance for all games.

i think 540p is a good choice, even for germany where not everyone is able to watch 720p+ streams. its better as long as i'm not partnered with twitch. just the text in some games like the chat in css is almost unreadable, that sucks, but its ok.

greetings

 

[alpinlol]

well i got 115mbit in germany and who wants to read the chat as a viewer in a fps game :D?

 

[PINHEAD49]

< :D, i got 50mbit and can upgrade to 150mbit if i want. but you know, some ppl have 6mbit down or less. :) thats the difference between cable and dsl haha

 

[alpinlol]

pretty much the same everywhere except for sweden

 

[thefunkbot]

.... huh? In my eyes the 720p one looks WAAAY better. The picture quality is much, much better. I don't know what you are talking about saying the 720p one is "choppy", to me it looks smooth as butter. They both look the exact same except for the obvious fact of the 720p one has a better resolution.

 

[PINHEAD49]

a second opinion :) thank you so far. i wanna leave it 540p until i'm partnered with twitch. its not the best quality but anyway a good choice

 

[vaesauce]

720p one is indeed choppy. I tested a lot of my stream settings on BLR also. I've got an I5 3570K @ 4.5ghz also and the Fast Preset uses up too much CPU. The gameplay itself might be okay but the result is a choppy VOD/Stream, not from buffering but from the CPU not being able to work enough because of it's resources being capped.

If you dropped it to "Faster" Preset, you wouldn't have any issues.