Question / Help Upgrading machine. Looking to Record at 1440p.

[Tawm]

Hello,

I'm going to be upgrading my machine in the near future and would like to be able to make local recordings for 1440p 60fps.

My current setup includes an i7-5820K and two R9 290X cards in crossfire (when possible) and a 1440p 60hz monitor. With this setup, I can't play games at 1440p AND record at 1440p; I have to record at 1080p or the game and the recording is laggy (not enough performance in my rig to record 1440p at a CRF of about 13, apparently).

So, keeping my CPU the same, I'm thinking I'll upgrade my GPUs to a single GPU like a 1080-Ti or whatever comes out next (either Nvidia or AMD), and I'm looking to get a new primary monitor at 1440p 144hz.

With the new setup of i7-5820K, 1080-Ti (or whatever), and a 1440p144 primary (1440p60 secondary, but I don't think that'll affect anything), would you estimate (or know due to personal experience) that I would be able to record at 1440p 60fps with OBS?
If not, what would I need to change?

If I forgot to include something pertinent, please say so.

Thanks in advance.

 

[SumDim]

Assuming you are creating content to share with others, why 1440?

What resolution is your viewing audience using to watch your recordings?
Is 1440 a growing segment of your audience in demand worth investing in?

Going to 1440 is a waste of time and money in my opinion. You're better off shooting for 4K instead.

 

[alpinlol]

Your current Setup should be able to record 1440p60 when using AMD AMF Encoder with the Upgrade I would still recommend using NVENC. But keep in mind upgrading your GPU right now is a big waste of money due to inflated GPU prices because of crypto currency mining.

 

[Tawm]

Assuming you are creating content to share with others, why 1440?

What resolution is your viewing audience using to watch your recordings?
Is 1440 a growing segment of your audience in demand worth investing in?

Going to 1440 is a waste of time and money in my opinion. You're better off shooting for 4K instead.

I currently play in 1440 and would like to be able to record in my native resolution. The purpose of the recordings is mostly for my own purposes with occasional uploads. Jumping from 1440 to 4K is a very big, very expensive leap which I don't have the need to make.

Your current Setup should be able to record 1440p60 when using AMD AMF Encoder with the Upgrade I would still recommend using NVENC. But keep in mind upgrading your GPU right now is a big waste of money due to inflated GPU prices because of crypto currency mining.

I'll mess around with my recording settings again then. And I haven't heard of any influx in mining. What happened recently that made people more interested in building mining machines?

 

[DeMoN]

@SumDim 4k is too hardware consuming. I prefer 1440p too. For me its 2560x1600 though.

I capture 2560x1600p60 with a i7 3770k and a GTX 1080.
Works with MagicYUV
and if using OBS it works with NVEnc. With NVEnc I can even go to a 120fps capture!

So you definitely should be able to capture 1440p with your current hardware.

What resolution is your viewing audience using to watch your recordings?
Is 1440 a growing segment of your audience in demand worth investing in?

Remember though that the improvement of quality by youtube 1080p vs 1440p is HUGE.
1080p looks very bad on youtube. 1440p gets more than twice the bitrate by youtube (3500 vs 10000 - was 15000 before mid july 2016 though. From mid-july 2016 on 1440k and especially 4k quality were brutally degraded. 4k had even CQP ( or CRF. One of the both ) encoding, now 4k has to deal with a 15mbit cap :(
But thats still by far better than their 1080p quality.

 

[Tawm]

I capture 2560x1600p60 with a i7 3770k and a GTX 1080.
Works with MagicYUV
and if using OBS it works with NVEnc. With NVEnc I can even go to a 120fps capture!

So you definitely should be able to capture 1440p with your current hardware.

That sounds pretty good! I'll first have to check out my recording settings and see if i can start recording 1440p60, but I'm also still looking to get a single card as opposed to my crossfire 290x's. If you're able to record at a larger resolution at 120fps, that sounds like I could support two 1440p monitors, game on one at 144hz, and record it at 60fps all on a GTX 1080 instead of going for a 1080Ti.

 

[alpinlol]

I currently play in 1440 and would like to be able to record in my native resolution. The purpose of the recordings is mostly for my own purposes with occasional uploads. Jumping from 1440 to 4K is a very big, very expensive leap which I don't have the need to make.




I'll mess around with my recording settings again then. And I haven't heard of any influx in mining. What happened recently that made people more interested in building mining machines?

Well media caught up to it and Bitcoin went completely through the roof as expected after a certain period of time. And now literally every idiot wants to do it its the same hype over again but this time the consumer market wasnt ready for it so it ruined the prices and availability of cards

 

[Tawm]

Your current Setup should be able to record 1440p60 when using AMD AMF Encoder

I've started a separate thread for this particular issue, but I have started to dabble in AMD AMF settings and am only able to get it working with my output scaled to 1080p, not at 1440p.

I'm also under the impression that software encoding with x264 will produce a nicer image, but I'm gonna try to get it working with hardware encoding anyway.

Here's a link to that thread, if you have experience with AMD AMF settings: https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/amd-encoding-crashes-at-1440p.71346/

Thanks for the insight thus far.

 

[alpinlol]

I've started a separate thread for this particular issue, but I have started to dabble in AMD AMF settings and am only able to get it working with my output scaled to 1080p, not at 1440p.

I'm also under the impression that software encoding with x264 will produce a nicer image, but I'm gonna try to get it working with hardware encoding anyway.

Here's a link to that thread, if you have experience with AMD AMF settings: https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/amd-encoding-crashes-at-1440p.71346/

Thanks for the insight thus far.

Well for recording the image quality will be the same but the file size will be different. Software (x264) will end up in a smaller file compared to hardware encoders. I know AMD AMF can do it but sadly I have no personal experience with it, I only wanted you to look into the right direction before investing money and regretting it in the end though running crossfire or sli is usually not recommended

 

[Tawm]

I haven't tried to figure out AMD hardware encoding settings, but I did get x264 software encoding working at 1440p60.

I went and got a couple cans of compressed air and dusted out everything, but most importantly, there was a rediculous amount of dust in my CPU watercooled vent. I also realized that my Corsair Link setting for the CPU cooling was set to quiet which allowed the CPU to get hotter than normal. I turned the setting to Balanced and tried the x264 settings at 1440p60, CRF: 18 at Superfast and/or Veryfast. They both seemed to take about the same amount of CPU percentage.

Unless this was a fluke and I have issues again tonight, I'm under the impression that my CPU was getting too hot and was throttling itself. This would lead to lower CPU power available to me and therefore, less available for encoding.

I will continue to mess with x264 settings to see how low I can get the CRF and the Preset while not maxing out my CPU usage.

I didn't know the 5820K had throttling capabilities, but I've also never thought to research it.

 

[alpinlol]

I haven't tried to figure out AMD hardware encoding settings, but I did get x264 software encoding working at 1440p60.

I went and got a couple cans of compressed air and dusted out everything, but most importantly, there was a rediculous amount of dust in my CPU watercooled vent. I also realized that my Corsair Link setting for the CPU cooling was set to quiet which allowed the CPU to get hotter than normal. I turned the setting to Balanced and tried the x264 settings at 1440p60, CRF: 18 at Superfast and/or Veryfast. They both seemed to take about the same amount of CPU percentage.

Unless this was a fluke and I have issues again tonight, I'm under the impression that my CPU was getting too hot and was throttling itself. This would lead to lower CPU power available to me and therefore, less available for encoding.

I will continue to mess with x264 settings to see how low I can get the CRF and the Preset while not maxing out my CPU usage.

I didn't know the 5820K had throttling capabilities, but I've also never thought to research it.

Every CPU can throttle when certain factors reach their limit would have liked to know what temps you actually reached because everything below 90°C wont really throttle the cpu except if you bios is in sissy mode and starts throttling at 78°C already.

 

[andydabeast]

@SumDim 4k is too hardware consuming. I prefer 1440p too. For me its 2560x1600 though.

I capture 2560x1600p60 with a i7 3770k and a GTX 1080.
Works with MagicYUV
and if using OBS it works with NVEnc. With NVEnc I can even go to a 120fps capture!

So you definitely should be able to capture 1440p with your current hardware.
.

What in the world are your 1440p60 settings DeMoN? I tried for an hour last night switching bit rate low, high, NVEnc h264, regular h264, fast, ultra fast... nothing worked. every time I get the "encoder overload" error and the recording is choppy.

My CPU is a beast- Ryzen 1600x @ 4.0 Ghz. That is 12 threads so if you can do it with your 3770k I should be in the clear. Also a GTX1080 here.

I can record 1080p just fine.
Thanks