I will not stop. I will not support advising others to have a crappy stream just so some low end bobs can watch it. That is harmfull for the complete platform because than you simply ignore everyone under 100 viewers because you know the quality is so shit it is not worth to even click on the stream even though it sounds interesting.
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FerretBomb
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Low bitrate does not mean crap quality. It means leaving off the luxuries (like 60fps), and working within a tight bitrate budget to make yourself as accessible as possible, to give yourself the best chance to succeed.
Again. Please stop giving shitty advice to people who don't know enough to realize how harmful it is. You've been doing it for a while.
Again. Please stop giving shitty advice to people who don't know enough to realize how harmful it is. You've been doing it for a while.
resolution will kill the quality, fps don't have that big of a impact on the quality.
And again, no. There are no studies that researched that field, so you could be right or talk complete bullshit, there is no data to back this up and no, studies about the network speed at the end of the world on a mobile device don't target this usecase, you would need data from twitch for this to see the min speed values viewers reach and they don't publish that as far as i know.
And again, no. There are no studies that researched that field, so you could be right or talk complete bullshit, there is no data to back this up and no, studies about the network speed at the end of the world on a mobile device don't target this usecase, you would need data from twitch for this to see the min speed values viewers reach and they don't publish that as far as i know.
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FerretBomb
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Doubling the FPS literally near-doubles the bitrate needed to maintain a set image quality level at the higher framerate.
You are entirely talking out your ass.
Livestreaming is literally my full-time job. I make my living doing it.
Please. PLEASE. Stop giving newbies bad advice.
And that shows why just because you are doing something makes you no expert in it. You don't seem to understand how a encoder works.
See for example the results from xaymar
source: https://blog.xaymar.com/2020/06/24/the-art-of-encoding-with-nvidia-turing-nvenc/
If you would work as system architect for a streaming plattform yes, but as a simple user no, you are no better than any other random dude on the internet giving recommendations. Maybe actually worse because your expierence is years old, asking a magic 8 ball could get me better results on what is the right bitrate currently.
So if you find research to it from twitch or a other gaming oriented website, point me to it and will create my conclusion if I should stop recommending the best quality that is possible but until that i will ignore you.
This would only happen if you stream uncompressed bitmaps, but that is not the case.
See for example the results from xaymar
source: https://blog.xaymar.com/2020/06/24/the-art-of-encoding-with-nvidia-turing-nvenc/
There is no correlation between you streaming full time and having any knowledge on that topic.
If you would work as system architect for a streaming plattform yes, but as a simple user no, you are no better than any other random dude on the internet giving recommendations. Maybe actually worse because your expierence is years old, asking a magic 8 ball could get me better results on what is the right bitrate currently.
So if you find research to it from twitch or a other gaming oriented website, point me to it and will create my conclusion if I should stop recommending the best quality that is possible but until that i will ignore you.
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qhobbes
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Speaking of magic 8 balls, I stream pool matches. The majority of the time 50-75% of the screen is static. Because of this I get decent (not broadcast) quality at 3072 Kbps using the rig in my sig (I've since switched to VBR 3072-5120 and works great on FB, Twitch and YT). I tried streaming a few times at 59.94 FPS at CBR 3072 and the quality instantly turned to garbage.
quicksync is no effective encoder (amf is even worse) in the first place, trying that with nvenc or x264 at medium should give you better results at maintaining the quality while increasing the fps. If your compression ratio is low at the start it makes sence that doubling the FPS will result in a much bigger quality loss against encoder settings that are very effective.
ZergShadow
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For me I cant start with more then 8500 like TRYhd says. Are you partner?
It doesn't matter if you are partner or not, the not enforced upper limit is gone since many years. There is a hardcut at 8500kbit/s for everybody.
ZergShadow
Member
Seems for me now after tests that its 8660 with audiio.