Question / Help Trying to stream the division with OBS getting stream chop and stutter

[Douglas Rieth]

Basic Description: Trying to stream the division with OBS getting stream chop and stutter included is a current log of my OBS settings i have changed resolution and frame rate settings in OBS. i have also adjusted all of my division settings to medium however even when i preview the stream i still get allot of stream stutter and lag to the point that you cannot watch the stream. Also one thing that i noticed was that there was no webcam lag or delay it was only in the game. I dont know if you guys can help me with this or perhaps direct me to another forum maybe its more on the game side than your software.

i dont need 1080p hoping to get a stable stream at even low settings with 480p if possible. included are my current OBS settings logs i hope there is someone who can help me out with this problem thank you so much for a response

Software/Hardware Involved: The Division and OBS

PC Specifications: Core i5 4690k @3.5 overclocked to 4.1 MSI windforce GTX 980 16gb of ddr3 @1300mhz samsung ssd 250gb

logs: https://gist.github.com/de11b776e263d55e10fe

 

[Douglas Rieth]

*update so i have installed obs studio. ran OBS studio in admin mode. I managed to capture the game in full screen with all modified the native res to 720p changed my bitrate from 2600 to 2300 changed FPS from 60 to 30. AND!! still dawg shit stream quality straight up slide show. this is my current log on obs: https://gist.github.com/4745c9619940dc14c2e5

this is a video from you tube that i uploaded of the problem: https://youtu.be/cJAQVOkYi-A

and this is a screen shot of my current CPU use to demonstrate that OBS is not coming even close to using all my cpu power: http://i.imgur.com/dgxfRiX.jpg?1

I like to think i can trouble shoot this but i cant is there anyone that i can pay for tech support? I am about to give up on this

 

[Sapiens]

The Division is super heavy on both CPU and GPU, and unfortunately your screenshot of task manager is mostly meaningless because the game throttles to 10 FPS when it loses focus. For comparison I use a 4790K and I see ~15% CPU usage when tabbed out of the game, compared to ~40-60% usage on average at 60 FPS.

You should start by checking what your CPU usage is while actually playing the game and doing things, and not while alt-tabbed. If you aren't using vsync or the frame limiter option that will also cause major issues.

 

[FerretBomb]

You're on an i5, trying to stream a very CPU-heavy game at 1080p@30fps on 2600kbps. That isn't going to happen for a variety of reasons.

In that screenshot, you're not actually streaming. So the encoder isn't running, because OBS Studio doesn't have a way to turn them on without going live. One of several important missing features. I guarantee that OBS will use FAR MORE than 2% CPU when it's actually encoding video.

I'd also be a bit concerned about memory; how much RAM do you actually have? Classic 32-bit is showing the 4GB 32-bit cap, but Studio is showing 2GB. That has to be misreporting.

That said, i5s tend to run out of gas much past the 720p@30fps point even on standard games. Division is VERY CPU heavy, and is a visually complex game on top of that, so will need more CPU to encode video of it well.
I'd probably stick to Classic and crank it down further. 480p@30fps, 2000kbps, x264 Veryfast, or even 360p. You might also try going to the Superfast, or Ultrafast x264 preset as well ad trade worse compression for less CPU load.

No, there is no for-pay tech support. Everyone here is a community volunteer. It just takes some patience sometimes.

22:09:30.864: Output 'simple_file_output': Number of skipped frames due to encoding lag: 3455478474 (92.8%)
22:09:30.864: Output 'simple_file_output': Number of lagged frames due to rendering lag/stalls: 314 (12.5%)

Yeah, your CPU is getting MURDERED by the combination of The Division and the demands of real-time video encoding a visually complex game.

 

[Douglas Rieth]

Gentlemen I would like to thank you both for the response to my post. Neither of you needed to help me, yet took time out of your day to assist me and I greatly appreciate the help.

My final question would be if I was to shoot for 720p at 30 fps would overclocking my cpu @4.5~4.6 due the trick? I would be concerned with the load temp at that frequency cause I regularly hit 70c at 1.25v with those frequencies under benchmarks. Or do you that the i7 6700k is a good upgrade for me here considering my streaming goals with this game?

 

[FerretBomb]

For best streaming performance, an i7 is the way to go. 6700k will focus primarily on the gaming aspect and give better in-game performance, while a 5820k will be better for streaming, but worse in-game.

At this point either will work fine, it just depends on your goals down the road. I don't own a 6700k, but my 5820k (OC'd to 4.2GHz, hexacore) can only run+stream The Division at 1080@30 on x264 Veryfast, or 720p@30 on x264 Medium (downscaled from 1080). It's a HEAVY game. Most other games I can run 1080@60 on Medium.

Overclocking is free. If I were in your boots, I'd at least give it a shot and find out.

 

[bon]

...5820k vs 6700k ..

(did not want to quote it all :p)

I am currently looking into buying new hardware. Willing to spend money for it but I don't want to throw it down the drain. One person tells me to get a 6700k...the other says, go for a 5820k....

Last attempt for advice was me posting on hardware.info (good site!) and there 2 told me to wait for Broadwell-E ...(supposedly to come out in June?)

Reading your post here I am wondering if a X99 system is a good choice overall ?

*lost* :p

(Current hardware:

i7 2600k
16GB RAM
Z77 ASUS mobo
EVGA 980 SC

...this does not pull The Division either...getting around 60ish % FPS drop ...and that has to stay at 0 do I want to stream...
)

Is the answer for heavy games: have a 2nd streaming PC ? (I'd rather not but .....)

 

[FerretBomb]

For gaming, a 6700k will be better.
For streaming (where more cores will be fully used), a 5820k will be better.
Broadwell-E will use the 2011-v3 socket, same as the 5820k. I plan to upgrade as soon as it comes out.

Yes, for heavy games a 2PC setup can be unavoidable if you need zero-impact on game performance. It's expensive and a hassle to set up (especially the audio setup), and should be avoided unless you're trying to stream as a profession. It's otherwise entirely not worth it for hobbyist or casual streamers.

 

[bon]

so 1 PC, say streaming the Division 1080p/60fps (yes not partnered, no 1080p needed but when investing in hardware.....) is crikey darn hard then ...? :\

Wonder if this i7 2600k could function as a streaming PC if I buy a new gaming PC ....there is a local trader in workstations with Xeon's and stuff but don't have any experience with those either...:\

thanks!

 

[FerretBomb]

1080/60 on Twitch is unrealistic even if partnered. It starts at 5000kbps and wants north of 6mbps. Non-partnered is a full-stop no, no one will be able to watch you.
I have a 5820k, am partnered, and can't stream The Division over 1080/30 even with some quality cuts. It's a HEAVY game on many fronts. I would need to move to a 2PC setup to make it happen.

If you're looking at building a new machine, build a streaming system, not a new gaming system. Using an old machine as an encoding box is a complete waste of time, as real-time video encoding is where the power is needed. An i7-2600k might be able to swing 1080/30 on Veryfast. Thinking that an old system will be effective as an encoding machine is a common mistake.
Forget about using the i7-2600 as an 'encoding machine'. That's the part it sucks at, and why you'd be upgrading. It'd be like buying a new supercar, then insisting on towing it around using the crappy broken-down Civic you were driving before.

Instead, just upgrade the GPU in the current system and use it as the gaming PC, and build a new encoding machine with the strongest Intel-based CPU(s) you can. If you're going to dip into the money pit and pain in the ass that is a 2PC setup, at least do it the right way around. Gaming doesn't generally use CPU, so you can get away with an older machine for actually playing the game.

If you want a budget-oriented, STRONG streaming/encoding machine, follow this guide:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/47bzdc/budget_friendly_secondary_streaming_pc_guide/

 

[Ahmad Tarmizi]

hello, saw this post tho and i would like to ask.. sorry thread owner..

my specs are as below
I5 4690
16GB ddr3 ram
Asus Strix R9 390x
Msi Z97 Gaming 3

i am having the same problems too.. but i know yeah I5 wont be able to stream The Division EVEN at 720p@30fps
so my question is, if i upgrade my I5 to I7 4690/k version.. will i be able to stream at 720p@30fps??

 

[Blauwhelmpje]

Hi, came across this post and I must confirm a 6700k with gtx1080 setup can't even stream the division on low quality, 720p30fps at 2500-3500kbps veryfast. When running the game by itself, cpu(non oc) is already hitting around 80 at low(1440p 144hz, but on locked 60 hz it's the same). Other games I mostly stream 720p45fps on fast/medium without any issue but this one is a pain in the ass :) It even makes other programs crash because of the cpu overload.