Question / Help same settings, one drops frame....

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EpicReset

Member
ok so I shot two streams today... same settings aside from chroma added to webcam footage and audio buffer settings matched better to capture from Elgato GameCaptureHD...

first one... good frame rate and stream... don't recall seeing any dropped frames:
http://www.twitch.tv/epicresetgaming/b/443264216

second one... chroma and audio buffers changed... now at least 3% dropped frames: (annoying lag & pixel renders)
http://www.twitch.tv/epicresetgaming/b/443440791

my internet avg 50mbps download and 10mbps upload...

Can anyone shed some light... I would like to remedy this problem.
 
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EpicReset

Member
here is the data from the first stream
Code: 
14:24:25: Browser Source plugin strings not found, dynamically loading 22 strings
14:25:16: Open Broadcaster Software v0.542b - 32bit (´・ω・｀)
14:25:16: -------------------------------
14:25:16: CPU Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz
14:25:16: CPU Speed: 3411MHz
14:25:16: Physical Memory:  4095MB Total, 4095MB Free
14:25:16: stepping id: 7, model 10, family 6, type 0, extmodel 1, extfamily 0, HTT 1, logical cores 8, total cores 4
14:25:16: monitor 1: pos={0, 0}, size={1920, 1080}
14:25:16: Windows Version: 6.1 Build 7601 S
14:25:16: Aero is Enabled
14:25:16: -------------------------------
14:25:16: OBS Modules:
14:25:16: Base Address     Module
14:25:16: 01140000         OBS.exe
14:25:16: 6F420000         OBSApi.dll
14:25:16: 72C10000         BrowserSourcePluginWrapper.dll
14:25:16: 6EEE0000         DShowPlugin.dll
14:25:16: 72180000         GraphicsCapture.dll
14:25:16: 6FBE0000         NoiseGate.dll
14:25:16: 6E2E0000         PSVPlugin.dll
14:25:16: 6E2B0000         WebSocketAPIPlugin.dll
14:25:16: ------------------------------------------
14:25:16: Adapter 1
14:25:16:   Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650
14:25:16:   Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 2091581440
14:25:16:   Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 2147479552
14:25:16: =====Stream Start: 2013-08-09, 14:25:16===============================================
14:25:16:   Multithreaded optimizations: On
14:25:16:   Base resolution: 1920x1080
14:25:16:   Output resolution: 1280x720
14:25:16: ------------------------------------------
14:25:16: Loading up D3D10...
14:25:16: Playback device Default
14:25:16: ------------------------------------------
14:25:16: Using desktop audio input: SAMSUNG-1 (NVIDIA High Definition Audio)
14:25:16: ------------------------------------------
14:25:16: Using auxilary audio input: Line In (Realtek High Definition Audio)
14:25:16: ------------------------------------------
14:25:16: Audio Encoding: AAC
14:25:16:     bitrate: 128
14:25:16: ------------------------------------------
14:25:16:     device: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920,
14:25:16:     device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_082d&mi_00#7&16fc3f5d&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
14:25:16:     chosen type: I420, usingFourCC: false, res: 352x288 - 352x288, frameIntervals: 333333-2000000, fourCC: 'I420'
14:25:16:     audio device: Disable,
14:25:16:     audio device id Disabled,
14:25:16: 
14:25:16: Using directshow input
14:25:17: ------------------------------------------
14:25:17:     device: Elgato Game Capture HD,
14:25:17:     device id {39F50F4C-99E1-464a-B6F9-D605B4FB5918},
14:25:17:     chosen type: UYVY, usingFourCC: false, res: 1280x720 - 1280x720, frameIntervals: 333333-333333, fourCC: 'UYVY'
14:25:17:     audio device: Disable,
14:25:17:     audio device id Disabled,
14:25:17: 
14:25:17: Using directshow input
14:25:17: ------------------------------------------
14:25:17: Video Encoding: x264
14:25:17:     fps: 30
14:25:17:     width: 1280, height: 720
14:25:17:     preset: veryfast
14:25:17:     CBR: yes
14:25:17:     CFR: no
14:25:17:     max bitrate: 5000
14:25:17: ------------------------------------------
14:26:45: Total frames rendered: 2623, number of frames that lagged: 0 (0.00%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
14:26:48: =====Stream End: 2013-08-09, 14:26:48=================================================
14:27:28: Using fixed low latency mode, factor 20
14:27:28: =====Stream Start: 2013-08-09, 14:27:28===============================================
14:27:28:   Multithreaded optimizations: On
14:27:28:   Base resolution: 1920x1080
14:27:28:   Output resolution: 1280x720
14:27:28: ------------------------------------------
14:27:28: Loading up D3D10...
14:27:28: Playback device Default
14:27:28: ------------------------------------------
14:27:28: Using desktop audio input: SAMSUNG-1 (NVIDIA High Definition Audio)
14:27:28: ------------------------------------------
14:27:28: Using auxilary audio input: Line In (Realtek High Definition Audio)
14:27:28: ------------------------------------------
14:27:28: Audio Encoding: AAC
14:27:28:     bitrate: 128
14:27:28: ------------------------------------------
14:27:28:     device: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920,
14:27:28:     device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_082d&mi_00#7&16fc3f5d&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
14:27:28:     chosen type: I420, usingFourCC: false, res: 352x288 - 352x288, frameIntervals: 333333-2000000, fourCC: 'I420'
14:27:28:     audio device: Disable,
14:27:28:     audio device id Disabled,
14:27:28: 
14:27:28: Using directshow input
14:27:28: ------------------------------------------
14:27:28:     device: Elgato Game Capture HD,
14:27:28:     device id {39F50F4C-99E1-464a-B6F9-D605B4FB5918},
14:27:28:     chosen type: UYVY, usingFourCC: false, res: 1280x720 - 1280x720, frameIntervals: 333333-333333, fourCC: 'UYVY'
14:27:28:     audio device: Disable,
14:27:28:     audio device id Disabled,
14:27:28: 
14:27:28: Using directshow input
14:27:28: ------------------------------------------
14:27:28: Video Encoding: x264
14:27:28:     fps: 30
14:27:28:     width: 1280, height: 720
14:27:28:     preset: veryfast
14:27:28:     CBR: yes
14:27:28:     CFR: no
14:27:28:     max bitrate: 5000
14:27:28: ------------------------------------------
14:27:30: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
14:27:30:   Server selection: rtmp://live-ord.justin.tv/app
14:27:35: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
14:27:35: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
14:30:27: Total frames rendered: 5348, number of frames that lagged: 0 (0.00%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
14:30:27: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Aborting due to bStopping
14:30:27: Number of times waited to send: 0, Waited for a total of 0 bytes
14:30:27: Number of b-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Number of p-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Total 0 (0%)
14:30:30: =====Stream End: 2013-08-09, 14:30:30=================================================
14:33:52: Using fixed low latency mode, factor 20
14:33:52: =====Stream Start: 2013-08-09, 14:33:52===============================================
14:33:52:   Multithreaded optimizations: On
14:33:52:   Base resolution: 1920x1080
14:33:52:   Output resolution: 1280x720
14:33:52: ------------------------------------------
14:33:52: Loading up D3D10...
14:33:52: Playback device Default
14:33:52: ------------------------------------------
14:33:52: Using desktop audio input: SAMSUNG-1 (NVIDIA High Definition Audio)
14:33:52: ------------------------------------------
14:33:52: Using auxilary audio input: Line In (Realtek High Definition Audio)
14:33:52: ------------------------------------------
14:33:52: Audio Encoding: AAC
14:33:52:     bitrate: 128
14:33:52: ------------------------------------------
14:33:52:     device: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920,
14:33:52:     device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_082d&mi_00#7&16fc3f5d&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
14:33:52:     chosen type: I420, usingFourCC: false, res: 352x288 - 352x288, frameIntervals: 333333-2000000, fourCC: 'I420'
14:33:52:     audio device: Disable,
14:33:52:     audio device id Disabled,
14:33:52: 
14:33:52: Using directshow input
14:33:53: ------------------------------------------
14:33:53:     device: Elgato Game Capture HD,
14:33:53:     device id {39F50F4C-99E1-464a-B6F9-D605B4FB5918},
14:33:53:     chosen type: UYVY, usingFourCC: false, res: 1280x720 - 1280x720, frameIntervals: 333333-333333, fourCC: 'UYVY'
14:33:53:     audio device: Disable,
14:33:53:     audio device id Disabled,
14:33:53: 
14:33:53: Using directshow input
14:33:53: ------------------------------------------
14:33:53: Video Encoding: x264
14:33:53:     fps: 30
14:33:53:     width: 1280, height: 720
14:33:53:     preset: veryfast
14:33:53:     CBR: yes
14:33:53:     CFR: no
14:33:53:     max bitrate: 5000
14:33:53: ------------------------------------------
14:33:55: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
14:33:55:   Server selection: rtmp://live-ord.justin.tv/app
14:33:56: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
14:33:56: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
15:21:34: Total frames rendered: 85825, number of frames that lagged: 0 (0.00%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
15:21:34: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Aborting due to bStopping
15:21:34: Number of times waited to send: 0, Waited for a total of 0 bytes
15:21:34: Number of b-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Number of p-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Total 0 (0%)
15:21:38: =====Stream End: 2013-08-09, 15:21:38=================================================
15:21:50: =====Stream Start: 2013-08-09, 15:21:50===============================================
15:21:50:   Multithreaded optimizations: On
15:21:50:   Base resolution: 1920x1080
15:21:50:   Output resolution: 1280x720
15:21:50: ------------------------------------------
15:21:50: Loading up D3D10...
15:21:50: Playback device Default
15:21:50: ------------------------------------------
15:21:50: Using desktop audio input: SAMSUNG-1 (NVIDIA High Definition Audio)
15:21:50: ------------------------------------------
15:21:50: Using auxilary audio input: Line In (Realtek High Definition Audio)
15:21:50: ------------------------------------------
15:21:50: Audio Encoding: AAC
15:21:50:     bitrate: 128
15:21:50: ------------------------------------------
15:21:50:     device: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920,
15:21:50:     device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_082d&mi_00#7&16fc3f5d&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
15:21:50:     chosen type: I420, usingFourCC: false, res: 352x288 - 352x288, frameIntervals: 333333-2000000, fourCC: 'I420'
15:21:50:     audio device: Disable,
15:21:50:     audio device id Disabled,
15:21:50: 
15:21:50: Using directshow input
15:21:51: ------------------------------------------
15:21:51:     device: Elgato Game Capture HD,
15:21:51:     device id {39F50F4C-99E1-464a-B6F9-D605B4FB5918},
15:21:51:     chosen type: UYVY, usingFourCC: false, res: 1280x720 - 1280x720, frameIntervals: 333333-333333, fourCC: 'UYVY'
15:21:51:     audio device: Disable,
15:21:51:     audio device id Disabled,
15:21:51: 
15:21:51: Using directshow input
15:21:51: ------------------------------------------
15:21:51: Video Encoding: x264
15:21:51:     fps: 30
15:21:51:     width: 1280, height: 720
15:21:51:     preset: veryfast
15:21:51:     CBR: yes
15:21:51:     CFR: no
15:21:51:     max bitrate: 5000
15:21:51: ------------------------------------------
15:24:10: Total frames rendered: 4167, number of frames that lagged: 0 (0.00%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
15:24:14: =====Stream End: 2013-08-09, 15:24:14=================================================
15:24:14: Browser Source plugin instance deleted; removing dynamically loaded localization strings
15:24:15: 
15:24:15: Profiler results:
15:24:15: 
15:24:15: ==============================================================
15:24:15: frame - [100%] [avg time: 3.073 ms (cpu time: avg 2.734 ms, total 267885 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 99.8%] [unaccounted: 0.163%]
15:24:15: | frame preprocessing and rendering - [49.3%] [avg time: 1.516 ms (cpu time: avg 1.39 ms, total 136220 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 23.8%] [unaccounted: 25.5%]
15:24:15: | | scene->Preprocess - [23.8%] [avg time: 0.731 ms (cpu time: avg 0.714 ms, total 69950.9 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
15:24:15: | video encoding and uploading - [50.5%] [avg time: 1.552 ms (cpu time: avg 1.342 ms, total 131509 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 48.7%] [unaccounted: 1.79%]
15:24:15: | | flush - [5.82%] [avg time: 0.179 ms (cpu time: avg 0.043 ms, total 4227.63 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
15:24:15: | | CopyResource - [0.976%] [avg time: 0.03 ms (cpu time: avg 0.017 ms, total 1700.41 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
15:24:15: | | conversion to 4:2:0 - [0.163%] [avg time: 0.005 ms (cpu time: avg 0.003 ms, total 390.004 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
15:24:15: | | call to encoder - [40.8%] [avg time: 1.254 ms (cpu time: avg 1.219 ms, total 119497 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
15:24:15: | | sending stuff out - [0.944%] [avg time: 0.029 ms (cpu time: avg 0.028 ms, total 2745.62 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
15:24:15: | Convert444Threads - [2.17e+003%] [avg time: 66.618 ms (cpu time: avg 1.405 ms, total 137671 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
15:24:15: ==============================================================
15:24:15: 
15:24:15: Memory Leaks Were Detected.
15:24:15:
 
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EpicReset

Member
here is the second stream...
Code: 
21:41:19: Browser Source plugin strings not found, dynamically loading 22 strings
21:44:33: Open Broadcaster Software v0.542b - 32bit (´・ω・｀)
21:44:33: -------------------------------
21:44:33: CPU Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz
21:44:33: CPU Speed: 3411MHz
21:44:33: Physical Memory:  4095MB Total, 4095MB Free
21:44:33: stepping id: 7, model 10, family 6, type 0, extmodel 1, extfamily 0, HTT 1, logical cores 8, total cores 4
21:44:33: monitor 1: pos={0, 0}, size={1920, 1080}
21:44:33: Windows Version: 6.1 Build 7601 S
21:44:33: Aero is Enabled
21:44:33: -------------------------------
21:44:33: OBS Modules:
21:44:33: Base Address     Module
21:44:33: 01150000         OBS.exe
21:44:33: 6F2A0000         OBSApi.dll
21:44:33: 72F20000         BrowserSourcePluginWrapper.dll
21:44:33: 6EF10000         DShowPlugin.dll
21:44:33: 6FBE0000         GraphicsCapture.dll
21:44:33: 6F610000         NoiseGate.dll
21:44:33: 6EEF0000         PSVPlugin.dll
21:44:33: 6EA30000         WebSocketAPIPlugin.dll
21:44:33: ------------------------------------------
21:44:33: Adapter 1
21:44:33:   Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650
21:44:33:   Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 2091581440
21:44:33:   Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 2147479552
21:44:33: =====Stream Start: 2013-08-09, 21:44:33===============================================
21:44:33:   Multithreaded optimizations: On
21:44:33:   Base resolution: 1280x720
21:44:33:   Output resolution: 1280x720
21:44:33: ------------------------------------------
21:44:33: Loading up D3D10...
21:44:33: Playback device Default
21:44:33: ------------------------------------------
21:44:33: Using desktop audio input: SAMSUNG-1 (NVIDIA High Definition Audio)
21:44:33: ------------------------------------------
21:44:33: Using auxilary audio input: Line In (Realtek High Definition Audio)
21:44:33: ------------------------------------------
21:44:33: Audio Encoding: AAC
21:44:33:     bitrate: 128
21:44:33: ------------------------------------------
21:44:33:     device: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920,
21:44:33:     device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_082d&mi_00#7&16fc3f5d&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
21:44:33:     chosen type: I420, usingFourCC: false, res: 352x288 - 352x288, frameIntervals: 333333-2000000, fourCC: 'I420'
21:44:33:     audio device: Disable,
21:44:33:     audio device id Disabled,
21:44:33: 
21:44:33: Using directshow input
21:44:33: ------------------------------------------
21:44:33:     device: Elgato Game Capture HD,
21:44:33:     device id {39F50F4C-99E1-464a-B6F9-D605B4FB5918},
21:44:33:     chosen type: UYVY, usingFourCC: false, res: 1280x720 - 1280x720, frameIntervals: 333333-333333, fourCC: 'UYVY'
21:44:33:     audio device: Disable,
21:44:33:     audio device id Disabled,
21:44:33: 
21:44:34: Using directshow input
21:44:34: ------------------------------------------
21:44:34: Video Encoding: x264
21:44:34:     fps: 30
21:44:34:     width: 1280, height: 720
21:44:34:     preset: veryfast
21:44:34:     CBR: yes
21:44:34:     CFR: no
21:44:34:     max bitrate: 5000
21:44:34: ------------------------------------------
21:45:21: ------------------------------------------
21:45:21:     device: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920,
21:45:21:     device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_082d&mi_00#7&16fc3f5d&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
21:45:21:     chosen type: I420, usingFourCC: false, res: 1280x720 - 1280x720, frameIntervals: 333333-2000000, fourCC: 'I420'
21:45:21:     audio device: Disable,
21:45:21:     audio device id Disabled,
21:45:21: 
21:45:30: ------------------------------------------
21:45:30:     device: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920,
21:45:30:     device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_082d&mi_00#7&16fc3f5d&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
21:45:30:     chosen type: I420, usingFourCC: false, res: 1280x720 - 1280x720, frameIntervals: 333333-2000000, fourCC: 'I420'
21:45:30:     audio device: Disable,
21:45:30:     audio device id Disabled,
21:45:30: 
21:46:47: ------------------------------------------
21:46:47:     device: Elgato Game Capture HD,
21:46:47:     device id {39F50F4C-99E1-464a-B6F9-D605B4FB5918},
21:46:47:     chosen type: UYVY, usingFourCC: false, res: 1280x720 - 1280x720, frameIntervals: 333333-333333, fourCC: 'UYVY'
21:46:47: 
21:46:48:     device audio info - bits per sample: 16, channels: 2, samples per sec: 48000, block size: 4
21:47:27: ------------------------------------------
21:47:27:     device: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920,
21:47:27:     device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_082d&mi_00#7&16fc3f5d&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
21:47:27:     chosen type: I420, usingFourCC: false, res: 1280x720 - 1280x720, frameIntervals: 333333-2000000, fourCC: 'I420'
21:47:27:     audio device: Disable,
21:47:27:     audio device id Disabled,
21:47:27: 
21:48:42: Total frames rendered: 7246, number of frames that lagged: 4 (0.06%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
21:48:46: =====Stream End: 2013-08-09, 21:48:46=================================================
21:48:46: Browser Source plugin instance deleted; removing dynamically loaded localization strings
21:48:47: 
21:48:47: Profiler results:
21:48:47: 
21:48:47: ==============================================================
21:48:47: frame - [100%] [avg time: 4.278 ms (cpu time: avg 3.02 ms, total 21886.9 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 99.9%] [unaccounted: 0.14%]
21:48:47: | frame preprocessing and rendering - [64.2%] [avg time: 2.746 ms (cpu time: avg 1.662 ms, total 12043.3 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 22.7%] [unaccounted: 41.4%]
21:48:47: | | scene->Preprocess - [22.7%] [avg time: 0.973 ms (cpu time: avg 0.958 ms, total 6942.04 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
21:48:47: | video encoding and uploading - [35.7%] [avg time: 1.526 ms (cpu time: avg 1.358 ms, total 9843.66 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 34.8%] [unaccounted: 0.842%]
21:48:47: | | flush - [2.88%] [avg time: 0.123 ms (cpu time: avg 0.038 ms, total 280.804 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
21:48:47: | | CopyResource - [0.655%] [avg time: 0.028 ms (cpu time: avg 0.006 ms, total 46.8 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
21:48:47: | | conversion to 4:2:0 - [0.117%] [avg time: 0.005 ms (cpu time: avg 0.004 ms, total 31.2 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
21:48:47: | | call to encoder - [31.2%] [avg time: 1.333 ms (cpu time: avg 1.291 ms, total 9360.06 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
21:48:47: | | sending stuff out - [0.0234%] [avg time: 0.001 ms (cpu time: avg 0 ms, total 0 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
21:48:47: | Convert444Threads - [1.6e+003%] [avg time: 68.413 ms (cpu time: avg 1.513 ms, total 10966.9 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
21:48:47: ==============================================================
21:48:47: 
21:48:47: Memory Leaks Were Detected.
21:48:47:
 
dodgepong

dodgepong

Administrator
Community Helper
The second one is not a log from a stream, but a log from either just a preview or a local recording.

However, 5000kbps is too high a bit rate for Twitch. They don't like you going above 3500, and besides, bit rates of 5000 are harder for a lot of people to watch since they don't have enough download speed.
 
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EpicReset

Member
native elgato software streams @ 5mbps on max 720p HD settings. been streaming that before i downloaded obs... So far i've watched the stream while streaming it and I've never seen it lag. if I go lower than 5mbps Seems like the games aren't worth streaming any more, the action gets so pixelated. Although I guess stream was never meant for what I want to use it for...

Might use OBS to record locally then just upload to youtube like normal... just seems like live streams are such a pain to setup as much as I play...
 
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Kharay

Member
It's not about what your connection can do or what your hardware can do; it's about what Twitch will tolerate. They actually have talked about banning people streaming at the bitrates you've been streaming at. Seriously, drop it down to 3500 Kbps. There is a reason why Twitch has been performing so poorly, part of the reason is people streaming at 5, 6 or sometimes even 7 Mbps. Look at me, I'm using a 150 Mbps symmetrical line, my connection is a machine. But, I can barely watch an American stream these days, Twitch performs that poorly at times.

Which game are you trying to stream? Because, 3500 really is more than enough to do even 1080p at a very nice quality.
 
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