Record video without bass boost

TexiPL

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Hi. I have set bass boss in drivers for my headphones. When I'm playing I hear game normally but when I listen to recorded video it feels like it is double bass boosted. Can I record the video without bass boost. I don't want to remove bass boost from my headphones cause I like the way it sound.
 

AaronD

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Looks like another case of a soundcard manufacturer not thinking. The loopback point (where the signal comes from that you record) is after the "enhancements", when it should be before. Or better yet, user-selectable.

To salvage what you have, you can apply a matching bass cut. If you do match it exactly - not just level, but frequency and slope too - then you can exactly undo it. But it's still better to not have it to start with.

To not have it to start with, can you move your bass boost into an external thing? So the computer itself is just a "dumb wire" in terms of processing, and knows nothing of the enhancements that are now done by something else?
 

TexiPL

New Member
Looks like another case of a soundcard manufacturer not thinking. The loopback point (where the signal comes from that you record) is after the "enhancements", when it should be before. Or better yet, user-selectable.

To salvage what you have, you can apply a matching bass cut. If you do match it exactly - not just level, but frequency and slope too - then you can exactly undo it. But it's still better to not have it to start with.

To not have it to start with, can you move your bass boost into an external thing? So the computer itself is just a "dumb wire" in terms of processing, and knows nothing of the enhancements that are now done by something else?
No I can't move it to external thing. I'm using Logitech G733 headphones and I bass boosted it in Ghub. Can i match bass cut in OBS or i need to use other program?
 

AaronD

Active Member
No I can't move it to external thing. I'm using Logitech G733 headphones and I bass boosted it in Ghub.
It's annoying to have to google stuff myself to see what in the world you're even talking about, when you could have just said they were USB wireless with no other connections.

Anyway, I was hoping for an analog connection, like 3.5mm TRS (ancient standard headphone) or something like that, that could run through another box. In the absence of that, it looks like we need to figure out how to insert a software thing instead of a hardware thing, which is much harder because software is nowhere near as visible. (that's the trap of going for the fancy convenience stuff at first glance - it's hard to do anything different from what the manufacturer says, and if the manufacturer isn't thinking...)

The best I can think of is this:
Two different sizes of the same thing; pick the one that fits you better, including what you might do in the future.
Both of them install some virtual sound cards that connect to a virtual mixer. Send your apps' audio to those virtual sound cards, and then use the virtual mixer to send that to OBS and to your headphones. Then the headphones can keep the settings that you like, and OBS gets its signal *before* that point.

Can i match bass cut in OBS or i need to use other program?
Maybe. It's not just "bass" "mid" "treble". It's a low shelf with a specific frequency that you don't know and can't control, and a slope that you don't know and can't control. Likewise for the high shelf. The mid is a bell curve or peaking EQ band, that you also don't know and can't control the frequency or bandwidth of. I really don't like that type of EQ, no matter where it appears, but that might be because I'm used to this:
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4 bands, all of which show and adjust all 3 parameters, and even choose the type for each one. Plus a separate "rumble filter" or "highpass" or "low cut", depending on what the sound board calls it that I'm running. Same thing regardless of name.

Only if all the other parameters match, can you undo it with opposite gain. If the low boost has a higher frequency than the low cut, for example, because you're using different tools for each that made slightly different decisions, then you'll end up with a slight bell boost, and not a complete undo:
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As you can see, the lower two bands are both set for a low shelf, with opposite gain, but different frequency. They don't completely cancel.
The upper two bands are both set for a high shelf, with opposite gain, and everything else the same. They do completely cancel.

If you really care enough, you could play some pink noise through your enhancements and through OBS's EQ filter, and then measure what each one does with that noise. The better the measurement tool, the more accurate the result. I would not be surprised if they *were* slightly different, which means that they'll never exactly cancel.
 

TexiPL

New Member
It's annoying to have to google stuff myself to see what in the world you're even talking about, when you could have just said they were USB wireless with no other connections.

Anyway, I was hoping for an analog connection, like 3.5mm TRS (ancient standard headphone) or something like that, that could run through another box. In the absence of that, it looks like we need to figure out how to insert a software thing instead of a hardware thing, which is much harder because software is nowhere near as visible. (that's the trap of going for the fancy convenience stuff at first glance - it's hard to do anything different from what the manufacturer says, and if the manufacturer isn't thinking...)

The best I can think of is this:
Two different sizes of the same thing; pick the one that fits you better, including what you might do in the future.
Both of them install some virtual sound cards that connect to a virtual mixer. Send your apps' audio to those virtual sound cards, and then use the virtual mixer to send that to OBS and to your headphones. Then the headphones can keep the settings that you like, and OBS gets its signal *before* that point.


Maybe. It's not just "bass" "mid" "treble". It's a low shelf with a specific frequency that you don't know and can't control, and a slope that you don't know and can't control. Likewise for the high shelf. The mid is a bell curve or peaking EQ band, that you also don't know and can't control the frequency or bandwidth of. I really don't like that type of EQ, no matter where it appears, but that might be because I'm used to this:
View attachment 98766
4 bands, all of which show and adjust all 3 parameters, and even choose the type for each one. Plus a separate "rumble filter" or "highpass" or "low cut", depending on what the sound board calls it that I'm running. Same thing regardless of name.

Only if all the other parameters match, can you undo it with opposite gain. If the low boost has a higher frequency than the low cut, for example, because you're using different tools for each that made slightly different decisions, then you'll end up with a slight bell boost, and not a complete undo:
View attachment 98767
As you can see, the lower two bands are both set for a low shelf, with opposite gain, but different frequency. They don't completely cancel.
The upper two bands are both set for a high shelf, with opposite gain, and everything else the same. They do completely cancel.

If you really care enough, you could play some pink noise through your enhancements and through OBS's EQ filter, and then measure what each one does with that noise. The better the measurement tool, the more accurate the result. I would not be surprised if they *were* slightly different, which means that they'll never exactly cancel.
I have downloaded VoiceMeeter Banana but I cant set it up. I have set the virtual sound card in OBS but I do not record the sound now. I have to change it back again to headphones but it is still bass boosted
 

AaronD

Active Member
I have downloaded VoiceMeeter Banana but I cant set it up. I have set the virtual sound card in OBS but I do not record the sound now. I have to change it back again to headphones but it is still bass boosted
What's your signal flow? Graphical diagram, or detailed walkthrough like I did here for a rig that I've since replaced:
Screenshots would be good too. It could be the same problem that bit me when I was first learning how to run an analog sound board: If none of the routing buttons are active, the meters work, but still no sound. Those routing buttons are important! You're not just "getting sound". You're *sending* that sound to specific places and not to others. *You* know where you want it to go, but the tool doesn't. So you have to tell it.
 

TexiPL

New Member
What's your signal flow? Graphical diagram, or detailed walkthrough like I did here for a rig that I've since replaced:
Screenshots would be good too. It could be the same problem that bit me when I was first learning how to run an analog sound board: If none of the routing buttons are active, the meters work, but still no sound. Those routing buttons are important! You're not just "getting sound". You're *sending* that sound to specific places and not to others. *You* know where you want it to go, but the tool doesn't. So you have to tell it.
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I've set to A1 my headphones. I also tried to do it on A2 but it is on red. Now to even hear audio I have to set my audio device to voicemeeter Aux Input. But I hear the audio not the way I like. It has default audio without bass boost I want to have.
 

AaronD

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I've set to A1 my headphones. I also tried to do it on A2 but it is on red.
Oh yeah, VM does need A1 to go somewhere physical. Everything else is optional.

Now to even hear audio I have to set my audio device to voicemeeter Aux Input.
You mean in OBS? There are at least 3 different apps involved now: OBS, Voicemeeter, and the sound source(s). So you need to specify which one.

Now to even hear audio I have to set my audio device to voicemeeter Aux Input. But I hear the audio not the way I like. It has default audio without bass boost I want to have.
Does VM completely take over the hardware device? I didn't think so, but I've always had a "dumb wire" too, with everything running through VM anyway, so I wouldn't have known the difference.

If all you had was a bass boost, you can get that back with Voicemeeter's EQ. Click the button for that above the corresponding output fader...
 

TexiPL

New Member
Oh yeah, VM does need A1 to go somewhere physical. Everything else is optional.


You mean in OBS? There are at least 3 different apps involved now: OBS, Voicemeeter, and the sound source(s). So you need to specify which one.


Does VM completely take over the hardware device? I didn't think so, but I've always had a "dumb wire" too, with everything running through VM anyway, so I wouldn't have known the difference.

If all you had was a bass boost, you can get that back with Voicemeeter's EQ. Click the button for that above the corresponding output fader...
It is working for first seconds. Later the audio sounds "metacil". You can check it here: https://streamable.com/ei8a90
 
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