Rca to trs 1/4

ioanmav

New Member
I want to connect my audio interface with my amplifier to have sound from my passive speakers, the sockets of my amplifier are rca (red, black) the sockets of my audio interface are TRS 1/4 (2 sockets) what cable do I need to make this connection?
I know that rca is not balanced, is there a way to connect 2 separate cables, one end to be TRS 1/4 and the other RCA? in the market I can only find 1 cable with 2 ends, one end is a TRS 1/2 plug and the other 2 ends are 2 rca but I have 2 sockets on the audio interface. please if anyone can help me, thanks in advance.
 

AaronD

Active Member
There's no universal passive balanced to unbalanced converter that doesn't risk blowing up *something*. If you know what type of balanced output you have, then you can make one that works with *that*, but it's not necessarily safe for a different type.

Impedance-balanced is practically an unbalanced output, except that the resistor that is used to prevent it self-oscillating into a weird cable, is copied to the other wire in the balanced pair, and that resistor is grounded. This creates the same impedance on both wires, which makes them pick up noise equally, and that equal-noise is really the purpose of a balanced connection. When the receiver subtracts the two, the noise drops out, and you're left with the original signal.
If this is what you have, then you can just take the active wire as unbalanced and ignore the other.

Signal-balanced is practically two unbalanced outputs, with their anti-oscillation resistors, that always mirror each other. This gives twice the total swing for a given power supply - the signal is taken to be the *difference* between the two wires, not the isolated value of either one - and so a balanced receiver will be twice as "hot" when fed from one of these, compared to impedance-balanced.
If this is what you have, then you can take either wire as unbalanced and ignore the other. Which you choose determines the polarity: inverted or not.

Floating is...a little bit complicated. The original floating outputs were transformers, which use the same principle as a power transformer, but with different dimensions and materials to be nice for a wide range of frequencies, not just the one power-line frequency. That's the most flexible by far, but I doubt you have that because good transformers are *expensive*!
Instead, you might have an electronic floating output, which mimics that ability of a transformer. At first glance, it looks like signal-balanced, but an additional cross-connection allows either output to be held to something "solid" without trying to "break free", while the other output takes all the signal. Or if both connections are equally "stiff", then the signal will appear equally on both. It'll even handle both of its outputs getting yanked around the same way, while still pushing a signal out as a pure difference on top of that common-mode wiggle...and a balanced receiver will still take it just fine. The trouble is that each individual output is limited to its own power supply, whereas an actual transformer is not.
If this is what you have, then you must connect the unused wire to ground. Otherwise it'll take all the signal and the actual wire will not.

The reason that you can't have a universal passive converter is because of the conflicting requirements of floating and signal-balanced outputs. (impedance-balanced doesn't care) One requires that the unused wire be grounded, and the other can blow up if you ground that wire. (the resistor is not a high enough value to prevent that) If you have an isolated transformer, then you can connect one winding across the balanced output, and the other winding between the unbalanced input and its ground, effectively forcing a floating output, but I rather doubt you have one sitting around for the same reason that you don't have one inside the box: good ones are *expensive*!
 

Harold

Active Member
The typical TRS to dual RCA is not actually going to be balanced, but stereo. If you're dealing with split quarter jack on one end and rca on the other, you want dual TS to dual RCA, not TRS.

Each connection will be unbalanced signal, it'll still be dual channel (left/right usually)
 

AaronD

Active Member
Yep, that's all RCA, unbalanced.

The manual for that is here:
It also says nothing about the type of balanced output that it has. Only that it *is* balanced.

With such terrible description, no actual specs beyond the obvious, and no good picture with the connectors spread out, I wouldn't trust it any farther than I could ring it out myself. Battery and a light bulb, or the continuity function of a multimeter.

If it's cheap enough to take the risk of not using it, then go ahead and buy it, but I would test it to KNOW what I actually have, and not just plug it in.

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Since the manual doesn't say, you'll have to test it yourself:
  1. Get either a bare TRS plug, or a pigtail from some other gear that doesn't work anyway, so you can stick it in the jack and have access to all of the individual wires. Likewise for RCA.
  2. Connect the grounds together. TRS Sleeve to RCA outer ring.
  3. Now, touch the signal wires in order:
    1. TRS Ring to RCA pin. Leave TRS Tip disconnected.
      • Impedance-balanced will give you exactly nothing.
      • Signal-balanced will give you full volume.
      • Floating will likely give you nothing or very little, but that's not guaranteed.
    2. TRS Tip to RCA pin. Leave TRS Ring disconnected.
      • Impedance-balanced will give you full volume.
      • Signal-balanced will give you full volume.
      • Floating will likely give you nothing or very little, but that's not guaranteed.
    3. ONLY IF YOU DIDN'T GET MUCH FOR EITHER OF THOSE TESTS:
      TRS Tip to RCA pin, and TRS Ring to TRS Sleeve (ground).
      • Impedance-balanced will give you full volume, and be okay.
      • Signal-balanced will give you full volume, and may blow up.
      • Floating will give you full volume.
  4. If test #2 gave you full volume, wire TRS Tip to RCA pin, and leave TRS Ring disconnected.
  5. Only if you got to test #3 (again, don't do test #3 at all, unless both #1 and #2 didn't do much), wire TRS Tip to RCA pin, and TRS Ring to TRS Sleeve.
If the pre-fab cord happens to match the correct wiring anyway, AS DETERMINED BY THE TEST, then you can use it. But by the time you do the test, you'll have everything you need to make your own, so you might as well do that.

A TS plug is the same as test #3, so don't just blindly shove that in! Do tests #1 and #2 first, with a TRS plug, to see what kind of balanced driver you actually have.
 
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