Bug Report OBS Studio crashes right at the start.

[Cryonic]

Well i apologize for not be polite, politically correct or super nice. English is not my native language, so i try to keep it simple and on point. If something is not working and is not caused by me, then it is not my fault.
If something decreases productivity by being tailored to the most unexpirienced PC user on that planet, i will complain about it.
When i first heard that OBS Studio will be a thing, i expected the word Studio to actually be the goal - a programm that is worth it, being in the best studios around the world, tailored towards professionals who have several years of expirience with similar software.
There is a reason why all the professional software looks like that when used.
You can take what ever you want: DAW, photo&video editing software, webdesign, whatever.
I can compare Photoshop and Paint. For a newbie, Paint will give him better results, faster and without that crazy learning curve. Every expirienced photoshop user will also be able to produce useable results in Paint, if the project is not complicated and cant be done with Paint due to lack of tools there. But thats not a reason to simplify everything.

This is why Ableton Live has a customizeable UI. You can hide everything and keep it simple and clean. Dont need some settings like audio inputs&outputs, 24 channels, crossfader etc? Just hide them. But someone why is used to have visual feedback on every setting that is out there, even if not used right now, its a huge deal.
I still think that a semi-professional software with midi-controls, a fully customizeable interface and a bit more features (like LED-feedback programmable in the midi mapping so we can see if an audio channel is muted or a source disabled) is the future. Specially because we have the right hardware out there already, it can be mapped withhin hours to be fully functional. And its cheap, a good small midi controller is usually cheaper than all the fancy mech. keyboards, so why not.

Jim, i can understand your view and the general idea for that project: being simple enough so people dont have to spend weeks to find all features and the manual for the software will not beat the size of a decent bestseller like 50 shades of grey. But at least give the advanced user the option to customize the whole thing (without expirience in coding, thats not for everyone) and the option to implement our hardware to control the software.This will make our lifes so much better. Once you get used to have bright visual feedback via LED on a controller in a dark room, you maybe will understand me there.

 

[Krazy]

If something decreases productivity by being tailored to the most unexpirienced PC user on that planet, i will complain about it.
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But at least give the advanced user the option to customize the whole thing (without expirience in coding, thats not for everyone)

This made me laugh way too much.

 

[Cryonic]

Well in that case i cant laugh. You cant expect everyone being able to code C++ or whatever is used right now for OBS MP. Most of us have expirience with audio hardware and software, video editing/VJing, DJing, streaming, general PC hardware configuration or something else. Most people that i know, have never coded something that is more complicated than simple midi mapping for the software what we use, me included.
We have a general idea about what is going on and what is possible, but that doesnt mean we have to learn everything from scratch - it will take ages to learn it and the software will recieve major updates in that time.
So yes, i`m not laughing.
Having a fully customizeable UI that is simple enough to be configured withhin 10-20min without any knowlegde is crucial.
People have some preferences and look for matching software. But even the really small videojockey and lightjockey market offers more than a huge, multimillion heavy streaming market (and it is huge, when you see the twitch deal and know that youtube jumps on the bandwagon).
I use OBS not because it is free/open source, i use it because everything else is not really better, but also costs a decent amount of money without offering anything that i expect.

 

[fatmatrow]

Are you mad that they didn't tailor OBS Studio to DJ's? Because that's not what it's Prime Directive is. Encoding settings, once tuned in, are set and forget for the most part. So if the stuff that costs decent amounts of money still don't measure up to OBS Studio, what does that tell you? Other programs that are pay to use, who have multiple people dedicated to it full time still can't beat Jim, just a'codin' away.
I've streamed at least 500 hours if not more with OBS Studio ( I started when it was still MP) with windows ten, It's crashed on me maybe 6 times since i started using it. I know professional streamers who use it as their main program. Everything is turnkey once you set it up. I don't understand why you're dogging on a program that you don't even pay for in the first place. I've taught quite a few others how to use it without much headache. I don't see what your issue is, other than they aren't catering to your super specific needs. It's essentially a program for recording and streaming gameplay, and by that nature happens to be useful for other things.

 

[Cryonic]

Well that software is not just for capturing gameplay at home with a small setup.
Professionals would love to use that too, in multiple areas since it can actually record everything around video and audio on the PC if done properly.
But so much stuff is missing that is needed for professional usage. And doing it outside with third party tools is hard since not everything can be directly rooted into OBS without problems. Try to use some 3D effects on your webcam and then implement it into OBS. Thats not easy. There are a few tools like FaceRig, but thats a toy compared to stuff like Davinci Resolve. Direct integration is needed for everything. The "new" OBS MP is still worse than the old one and i explained why.

Its not about the size of the team or how much we pay for it. The result counts, not the price. I can create remixes with a "cheap" DAW like FL Studio way better than with ProTools, that is like 10x the price.
My problem is: that software is aiming at the dumbest user out there that you can find, the focus goes on "set it up once". That stuff what the USA army does: fire and forget. As simply as it gets, not too fancy.
And this is where professional software shines through. Its not only for DJing, but for every other professional or semiprofessional usage. The software could be at a point where it could replace a full TV studio once configured right.
But Jim decided to take the other route and this is really sad for every professional that expects multiple software choices to be present.

Btw the newest Windows Insider Build 14328 fixed the OBS MP error. Didnt use it, just fired it up - didnt crash at the start.

 

[fatmatrow]

You know zero about how the Army works, I'm a veteran, so I can attest that you're wrong there. Nothing is fire and forget, you need to work on your analogies. This is streaming software, geared towards gameplay. It's made for streaming gameplay, and just because the "professionals" you speak of want to be able to use it, doesn't mean it's going to be geared to them. The program is literally designed to do what i just said, hence why one of the features of it is: GAME CAPTURE!
You're asking him to design a program for theoretical professionals, when plenty of actual real life professionals use it already, and swear by it. You have a super entitled attitude about all of this honestly. Jim doesn't owe anyone anything. Neither do the others that help. He's doing this because he's a cool dude. Guess what, OBS shines through as it is the goto program for a huge majority of twitch and other streaming platforms. Xsplit is a paid program, it doesn't measure up. You're wanting something aimed at a super high end user, and that's not what it is, and I hope that's not how it ever is. I hope it always has something for the casual streamer and the expert streamer. Today i learned that opinions can be very wrong. Because yours make NO sense. He's not making it to run a TV studio. Your average user isn't using Tricasters. He's aiming at a decently broad userbase. There are some things for high level users, there are some things for beginners. He has one goal in mind: to make it easier to stream and make it look good. And guess what? It does. I don't understand where your saltiness comes from, I really don't.

 

[Cryonic]

You dont understand it because you never used professional software that is designed for a single person operating it (instead of a team like how it was for ages). Think about it, a single piece of software and a decent rig with multiple monitors CAN replace a full TV studio right now, some broadcasts look better than a TV show and there are not more than 1-2 guys behind the scenes. And they do it with OBS (old or new, doesnt really matter here).
The point: they have to use so much stuff like plugin, third party sites, tools, hardware and software, that its not even funny anymore. Thats an abomination, sometimes the signal is daisychained over 2-3 pieces of software instead of being right there on the spot, tightly integrated for easy operation.
If i want to add some 3D effects to my cam, i would need a software that allows me to route the videofeed and bring it out as a webcam or slap a capture card on the desk just for that.
Even simple things like grabbing the tracklist from a music player or subs and followers over the API is not supported by OBS alone, you will always need a third party programm, site or plugin for that.
I´m not talking about that crazy stuff that i would love to have. Like videorecording a local gig for a band, where i would LOVE to record each audio channel before it goes into the final mix, because the sound guy was sick and the final mix sounds like they play death metal, but its pop... So i can at lease edit the whole thing while having separate audio tracks for each instrument and microphone? All that with support for a low latency ASIO driver for my audio interface out of the box?

Its not about making huge cash or throwing thousands at the software, its just the need for a decent, powerful tool that is tailored towards the advanced user who has the time and the knowledge how to use all the tools. Right now there is not much that can help. Even the wirecast is not what i expect from my software, specially not for that amount of cash.

 

[Sapiens]

This thread is now done, and probably should have been locked after Jim's last reply. Please think very carefully before making a new one on the same subject, or derailing someone else's thread with your requests, if you wish to retain the privilege of posting here.