Question / Help Is Twitch making my stream look bad? (NONPartner)

[mRK315]

Hey guys! You are my last hope!

Quick overlook:

Dual-Streaming-Setup with

i7 5960 (8core) @ 4,3 Ggz
ASUS X99 Strix Mainboard
16 GB GSkill DDR4 @ 2600 MHz
120 GB Samsung SSD
Avermedia GC573 Livegamer 4K 240 Hz Capturecard (set to 144Hz to match my gaming-monitor)

Streamlabs-Settings:

CPU-Preference: above normal
X.264: faster
Profile: High
Upload: 6000 - 8000 (depending on twitch)
Keyframe-Interval: 2
Resolution: 1920x1080
FPS: 60

The games i stream: FPS (COD BO4)(high-motion)

EVERYTHING is working, my average cpu-load is 65 percent while streaming like above, BUT the stream isnt looking like 60 fps and does not realy look good LIVE

yes only LIVE

when i rewatch my uploaded vos (previos livestreams) the quality is like it should be! Smooth 60 Fps and high quality like the setup is intened for!

My question:

Is it possible Twitch tweaks my stream down becauseim not partner with them and retweaks them back to normal in my vods? It sounds weird i know but it is the truth!!! My livestream looks a lot worse than my vods and i cant figure out why!

Info: I have 0 Lost frames, 60 fps in OBS AND the "show video stats" ALL THE TIME!

Im a perfectionist i cant handle bad quality ....

i could send you a link of my previos livestream but thats useless cause you cant compare it ....

Basicly everything on my end is fine but somehow the stream doesnt show up as intended .. only in the vods ....

 

[mRK315]

what i just streamed (teststream) in vod looking good .. live 33 % worse ..

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/340321468?t=00h02m57s

 

[Osiris]

That looks perfectly fine for a 1080p 60fps stream.

 

[mRK315]

Thats the poin! MY VIDEO (the latest livestreams get storaged) are looking very good!!! but the actuall live stream (watching the stream live while it is streamd) looks terrible ... i dont know what to do!!!! i cant change it .... i think its twitch

 

[Rowey]

Probably because you're streaming at 8000kbps without quality settings, lower your output bitrate, should fix the issue.

 

[TryHD]

Probably because you're streaming at 8000kbps without quality settings, lower your output bitrate, should fix the issue.

This would be the worst thing todo and will fix nothing, only worsen the quality.

Is it possible Twitch tweaks my stream down becauseim not partner with them and retweaks them back to normal in my vods? It sounds weird i know but it is the truth!!! My livestream looks a lot worse than my vods and i cant figure out why!

That is not possible, it would require twitch to reencode your stream which is expensive for them, they will stream out excactly what you feed in because you have no reencode option. Test it with a spare notebook or smartphone and not on your streaming or encoding pc, because that will ad stress to that systems and will cause sometimes quality loss.

 

[mRK315]

This would be the worst thing todo and will fix nothing, only worsen the quality.

That is not possible, it would require twitch to reencode your stream which is expensive for them, they will stream out excactly what you feed in because you have no reencode option. Test it with a spare notebook or smartphone and not on your streaming or encoding pc, because that will ad stress to that systems and will cause sometimes quality loss.

Thank you for taking this serious! Im far from an expert in OBS/Twitch but have spent several hundreds of hours into only getting things to work ..
For me it was very hard to get the dual-pc-sytem to work and now that i have achieved this i run into the next problem where my livestream doenst look the same as my previous recorder (vod).. which is the weirdest thing EVER!!!!!

I will try to get a notebook and watch my own stream with it MAYBE it will help but the funny thing is .. i asked a friend to watch me and even he said that the stream does look worse than the vods ..... i swear to god this is making me go crazy ... i just cant find a logical issue with my setup..

Why would the stream look bad and the saved vod of it look good again? this makes absolutley no sense!! You cant make sth looking bad look good again xD

 

[Osiris]

It is literally impossible for the VOD to not look the same as the stream itself, they are the exact same data.

 

[DEDRICK]

Are you watching the stream on a 1440p or 4K monitor in fullscreen? 1080p will look worse on either of those resolutions because it is upscaling it when you fullscreen/theatre mode.

(In Firefox, Chrome it is 20 pixels larger)
The default Twitch player size on a 1080p monitor is 1280x720 with both side panels open, so it downscales 1080p source from 1080p to 720p making it look sharper and higher detail.

On a 1440p monitor the player size is 1920x1080 so no downscaling is performed, it is true source quality.. Upscaling is performed if you fullscreen or go theatre mode though, making the stream look worse.

 

[mRK315]

Are you watching the stream on a 1440p or 4K monitor in fullscreen? 1080p will look worse on either of those resolutions because it is upscaling it when you fullscreen/theatre mode.

(In Firefox, Chrome it is 20 pixels larger)
The default Twitch player size on a 1080p monitor is 1280x720 with both side panels open, so it downscales 1080p source from 1080p to 720p making it look sharper and higher detail.

On a 1440p monitor the player size is 1920x1080 so no downscaling is performed, it is true source quality.. Upscaling is performed if you fullscreen or go theatre mode though, making the stream look worse.

Im watching it on a 1920x1080 60 Hz Monitor in "normal" (not cinema) mode as the average viewer. Unfortunalty im only able to stream/test on the weekends cause im working in a different place 150 miles away from home :P

Ill gather all your inputs you give me and try solving the problem .... Thank you all :)

 

[Rowey]

This would be the worst thing todo and will fix nothing, only worsen the quality

I mean, you're objectively wrong here, if his download speed couldn't keep up with the massive encoding which watching it back.
I understand not everyone understands this premise, but 8k is on the larger side of streaming bitrate.

Want me to link you some stuff, so you can learn more about it?

 

[TryHD]

I mean, you're objectively wrong here, if his download speed couldn't keep up with the massive encoding which watching it back.
I understand not everyone understands this premise, but 8k is on the larger side of streaming bitrate.

Want me to link you some stuff, so you can learn more about it?

Yes please, so i can understand where your wrong informations are from, because what you wrote doesn't make any sense. The OP did wrote about quality degradation and that the stream looks not like 60 fps, network based lag/buffering will not make it look like 40 fps, instead the video stream will cut out and go on again and again.

@mRK315 have you found a solution which did satisfy you?