Question / Help If not twitch then what?

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vognaR

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Hi,

I stream dota2 matches at twitch. I do not drop frames everything is fine on my side but often my viewers experience stuttering. I've tried many different settings, changed twitch servers etc. but sometimes (weekends especially) stream sttuters realy hard for them (for like half of audience). I sometimes experience stuttering myself when watching twitch on weekends and trust me - it has nothing to do with my hardware or ISP.

So, after own3d died, is there anything else that we can stream on and then use option to upload into youtube? i see that hashdtv is in beta but seems like it has some problems right now, maybe you know other services?

Just realised that its not directly OBS related but still...
 
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hilalpro

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you could use services like hyperstreamlive and replicate your stream to every server twitch has using different channels and post /popout links to those on your main channel description.

or

you could lower the bitrate and go cbr sacrificing some quality.
 
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Aiiiiii

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instagib.tv
Promising site but success will depend if people will use it.
Archives are available but you'll have to download it unfortunately (site's still in beta)
 
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opdave

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hashd.tv just opened up to the public recently. It's got a unique layout to it's website and video player. You should think about using it.
 
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retbergen

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I can comfirm this being a huge problem for europeans. Streaming is fine but viewing is a problem. From my testing it looks like all the viewing servers are in San Fransisco and are not distributed like the ingestion servers. I imagine this is why twitch suck so much at the moment. Thanks for all the suggestions, I need alternatives as well.
 
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vognaR

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thanks hilalpro.

opdave - please read my entire post.

btw. i tried hashd.tv today but my stream that last for like 3min is beeing encoded for ~8hours already... while on twitch it was instant :/ for me its realy important that i can upload my casts to youtube so i hope hashd will fix it
 
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vognaR

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One more question:

i thought about setting buffer bitrate different to bitrate - so, in theory how should i scale it (bitrate : buffer bitrate) to stop stuttering? 1:2? 2:1? (right now i have 1:1). maybe this will help
 
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vognaR

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hilalpro - does it mean that if i set bitrate 2000 and bitrate buffer 2000 then it will be the best solution for stuttering? better than 2000/4000 for example? or 2000/1000? you said it will make my transfer at closer to the average bitrate - i dont care about my transfer because i can handle even 6000. i only care about viewers stuttering


edit: got 1 more question since i used to use crf=21 settings which made my stream look realy much better. now i deleted this setting and just set quality to 10. Can CRF=21 be connected to viewers stuttering in any way? (all recordings from stream are perfect smooth with crf=21, only viewers expierience stuttering while watching live)
 
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hilalpro

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a low crf + big buffer will result in a spiky bandwidth it's a combo of big data and chunk's. some lines just don't supports variable burst's like that . what you want is to leave the crf at its encoder default meaning quality 9 or crf 23 < (this is already optimized for quality) and just control the vbv-bitrate from there.

try this quality 9
bitrate 1919 buffer size 1919
and the audio at 128

that's almost the same quality but alot more optimized for bandwidth cycles
let me know if it still causes lag with this.
 
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vognaR

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Thanks for those numbers.

What if i'd like to keep audio at 192? is there any good number 2000+ optimized for bandwitch cycles?
 
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hilalpro

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not really worth it on aac since it will use up to 240 kbps.. and you don't really need it either, aac at 128 is already transparent and will spike to 140 kbps sometimes
2943 would work, but it's slightly less efficient
 
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hilalpro

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your channel didn't go live in 2 days. maybe there is a problem with 1 specific viewer maybe you haven't tested at all. ether way i'm glad that it has worked on hashd.tv
 
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vognaR

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it was live but i deleted recordings. it wasnt problem with 1 viewer coz i had some more ppl testing it.
on hashdtv i just use 720p on 2500/2500 bitrate with crf=21 @45fps and its the best quality i have ever seen on 720p streams so im really happy right now since noone whines about stuttering ;)
 
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hilalpro

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i checked a hidden vod from 1day ago (twitch doesn't delete immediately) the overall bitrate was hovering around 1 924 kbps that indicate that you were probably using the suggested 1919 setting but the audio is not set at 128 kbps. you wanted to use 192 anyways which defeats the purpose.

you were supposed to be using 1919 bitrate/buffsfize 128kbps aac and no cbr.
but then again this all doesn't matter if your testers get a better connection to hashd servers.
 
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