Question / Help Help me Please (i5 3570k & avermedia)

princeboa · Aug 5, 2013

Hi Guys,

i would like to know in which settings i should stream?`
PC RIG:
i 5 3570K (Stock)
GTX 670
Avermedia Live Gamer HD
Internet: 100mb/5mb

My Current settings are:
Quality 7
2500/2500
1280x720p output @ 30 fps

My Problem is i do not know which settings i should use and when i Stream Fifa without vsync it feel laggy in the game. When vsync is on it is a little bit laggy. ISnt Fifa a good game to stream?`Think the engine is still on DX 9. When i stream LoL everything is great. I would like to improve my fifa stream :)

Thanks for your help.

EDit: i think i can get more out of this system

VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/planetkey_fifa/b/440793534

willll162904 · Aug 5, 2013

What exactly is your issue? From looking at your settings here are some upgrades i can recommend. Bump your bit up to 3000, there is no reason not too really as your internet will handle it fine and it will add some quality, also try bumping your fps to 60, just for added smoothness and better quality. First i want to say i would figure out your issue, then look into changing those options i recommended, that will increase quality. Now on to your issue. So from what i understand you are complaining of ingame lagginess? From the stream view it looks 100% fine. Though it sucks there is a certain give-and-take with streaming, sacrificing some ingame smoothness for a better stream, though i feel you could make this better. What cpu preset are you using? I have the same processor but it's running at 4 ghz instead of stock, and i have a 660ti that is overclocked to faster than your 670, so i know about your limitations. Probably the biggest cause of ingame lag is a too slow cpu preset. What are you running? Especially at only 30 fps you should have almost no ingame lag. Also just for reference LOL is an easier game to run than fifa, so that is why you are seeing a difference. Also, what are your ingame settings? Have you tried bumping those down alittle? First i would recommend changing the Anti aliasing, because if you have that maxed out that will dramatically effect your ingame frame rate. Then focus on the texture settings. Finnaly have you tried using obs built in game capture? From what i have heard the game capture works as good or better than a dedicated capture card for capturing the game, so try that. And also posting a log file would help alot. To do this go to your obs screen, and at the top click settings, then drop down to log folders and post the one from the stream you are having this issue in, if this issue is all of your streams then just pick the longest one you did to post. Hope i can help!

princeboa · Aug 5, 2013

Yeah i have ingame stuttering... should i cap my fps? My preset in obs is "veryfast" and my Fifa Settings are @ Low... I Can post a log file later [@ work now]. I know that i have more than 120 fps when streaming. I tried capping to 58,59,60 on a 120 hz monitor. But still micro stuttering. What i noticed if i put the stream to 60 fps the color of the fps is moving from 58 to 60 and the color changes...

Could it be that Fifa 13 is a f**ked game because of Direct X9?
Fifa settings are low...
Vsync should i enable or leave this option off because vysnc makes ingame delay

I tried using ingame feature but the same issue...

Later i will post my logfile!

Thx for the respond

alpinlol · Aug 5, 2013

vsync usually only does something against choppy capturing or screen tearing

princeboa · Aug 5, 2013

HEre is my log
hop it helps

20:54:04: Video Source Plugin strings not found, dynamically loading 38 strings
20:54:05: Open Broadcaster Software v0.542b - 64bit (　^ω^)
20:54:05: -------------------------------
20:54:05: CPU Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz
20:54:05: CPU Speed: 3403MHz
20:54:05: Physical Memory: 8153MB Total, 5241MB Free
20:54:05: stepping id: 9, model 10, family 6, type 0, extmodel 1, extfamily 0, HTT 1, logical cores 4, total cores 4
20:54:05: monitor 1: pos={0, 0}, size={1920, 1080}
20:54:05: monitor 2: pos={1920, 0}, size={1920, 1080}
20:54:05: Windows Version: 6.1 Build 7601 S
20:54:05: Aero is Disabled
20:54:05: -------------------------------
20:54:05: OBS Modules:
20:54:05: Base Address Module
20:54:05: 000000003F820000 OBS.exe
20:54:05: 00000000E55E0000 OBSApi.dll
20:54:05: 00000000F6860000 DShowPlugin.dll
20:54:05: 00000000F4E70000 GraphicsCapture.dll
20:54:05: 00000000F4E50000 NoiseGate.dll
20:54:05: 00000000F4E30000 PSVPlugin.dll
20:54:05: 00000000F7220000 VideoSourcePluginWrapper.dll
20:54:05: ------------------------------------------
20:54:05: Adapter 1
20:54:05: Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670
20:54:05: Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 2091581440
20:54:05: Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 2147807232
20:54:05: Using fixed low latency mode, factor 20
20:54:05: =====Stream Start: 2013-08-04, 20:54:05===============================================
20:54:05: Multithreaded optimizations: On
20:54:05: Base resolution: 1920x1080
20:54:05: Output resolution: 1280x720
20:54:05: ------------------------------------------
20:54:05: Loading up D3D10...
20:54:05: Playback device Default
20:54:05: ------------------------------------------
20:54:05: Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (Realtek High Definition Audio)
20:54:05: Using 5.1 speaker setup
20:54:05: ------------------------------------------
20:54:05: Using auxilary audio input: Mikrofon (Realtek High Definition Audio)
20:54:05: ------------------------------------------
20:54:05: Audio Encoding: AAC
20:54:05: bitrate: 128
20:54:05: Using text output
20:54:05: Using bitmap image
20:54:05: Using text output
20:54:05: Using bitmap image
20:54:05: ------------------------------------------
20:54:05: device: Logitech HD Webcam C270,
20:54:05: device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_0825&mi_00#8&6efbb40&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
20:54:05: chosen type: I420, usingFourCC: false, res: 1280x720 - 1280x720, frameIntervals: 333333-2000000, fourCC: 'I420'
20:54:05: audio device: Deaktivieren,
20:54:05: audio device id Disabled,
20:54:05:
20:54:05: Using directshow input
20:54:05: ------------------------------------------
20:54:05: device: AVerMedia HD Capture C985 Bus 3,
20:54:05: device id \\?\pci#ven_1af2&dev_a001&subsys_a0011af2&rev_00#4&355a308d&0&00e1#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{957bd672-7934-4b55-b81a-3e22b14c679a},
20:54:05: chosen type: YV12, usingFourCC: true, res: 1920x1080 - 1920x1080, frameIntervals: 333333-666666, fourCC: 'YV12'
20:54:05:
20:54:05: device audio info - bits per sample: 16, channels: 2, samples per sec: 48000, block size: 4
20:54:05: Using directshow input
20:54:07: ------------------------------------------
20:54:07: Video Encoding: x264
20:54:07: fps: 30
20:54:07: width: 1280, height: 720
20:54:07: preset: veryfast
20:54:07: CBR: no
20:54:07: CFR: no
20:54:07: max bitrate: 2500
20:54:07: buffer size: 5000
20:54:07: quality: 8
20:54:07: ------------------------------------------
20:54:07: Syncing audio to video time (WARNING: you should not be doing this if you are just having webcam desync, that's a separate issue)
20:54:09: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
20:54:09: Server selection: rtmp://live-fra.justin.tv/app
20:54:11: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
20:54:11: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
20:55:03: Total frames rendered: 1649, number of frames that lagged: 2 (0.12%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
20:55:04: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Aborting due to bStopping
20:55:04: Number of times waited to send: 0, Waited for a total of 0 bytes
20:55:04: Number of b-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Number of p-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Total 0 (0%)
20:55:04: =====Stream End: 2013-08-04, 20:55:04=================================================
20:55:21: Using fixed low latency mode, factor 20
20:55:21: =====Stream Start: 2013-08-04, 20:55:21===============================================
20:55:21: Multithreaded optimizations: On
20:55:21: Base resolution: 1920x1080
20:55:21: Output resolution: 1280x720
20:55:21: ------------------------------------------
20:55:21: Loading up D3D10...
20:55:21: Playback device Default
20:55:21: ------------------------------------------
20:55:21: Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (Realtek High Definition Audio)
20:55:21: Using 5.1 speaker setup
20:55:21: ------------------------------------------
20:55:21: Using auxilary audio input: Mikrofon (Realtek High Definition Audio)
20:55:21: ------------------------------------------
20:55:21: Audio Encoding: AAC
20:55:21: bitrate: 128
20:55:21: Using text output
20:55:21: Using bitmap image
20:55:21: Using text output
20:55:21: Using bitmap image
20:55:21: ------------------------------------------
20:55:21: device: Logitech HD Webcam C270,
20:55:21: device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_0825&mi_00#8&6efbb40&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
20:55:21: chosen type: I420, usingFourCC: false, res: 1280x720 - 1280x720, frameIntervals: 333333-2000000, fourCC: 'I420'
20:55:21: audio device: Deaktivieren,
20:55:21: audio device id Disabled,
20:55:21:
20:55:21: Using directshow input
20:55:21: ------------------------------------------
20:55:21: device: AVerMedia HD Capture C985 Bus 3,
20:55:21: device id \\?\pci#ven_1af2&dev_a001&subsys_a0011af2&rev_00#4&355a308d&0&00e1#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{957bd672-7934-4b55-b81a-3e22b14c679a},
20:55:21: chosen type: YV12, usingFourCC: true, res: 1920x1080 - 1920x1080, frameIntervals: 333333-666666, fourCC: 'YV12'
20:55:21:
20:55:21: device audio info - bits per sample: 16, channels: 2, samples per sec: 48000, block size: 4
20:55:21: Using directshow input
20:55:22: ------------------------------------------
20:55:22: Video Encoding: x264
20:55:22: fps: 30
20:55:22: width: 1280, height: 720
20:55:22: preset: veryfast
20:55:22: CBR: no
20:55:22: CFR: no
20:55:22: max bitrate: 2500
20:55:22: buffer size: 5000
20:55:22: quality: 8
20:55:22: ------------------------------------------
20:55:22: Syncing audio to video time (WARNING: you should not be doing this if you are just having webcam desync, that's a separate issue)
20:55:24: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
20:55:24: Server selection: rtmp://live-fra.justin.tv/app
20:55:26: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
20:55:26: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
21:49:57: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Socket error, send() returned -1, GetLastError() 10053
21:49:57: Total frames rendered: 98178, number of frames that lagged: 36 (0.04%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
21:49:58: librtmp error: WriteN, RTMP send error 10053 (79 bytes)
21:49:58: librtmp error: WriteN, RTMP send error 10038 (42 bytes)
21:49:58: Number of times waited to send: 459, Waited for a total of 1648100 bytes
21:49:58: Number of b-frames dropped: 404 (0.41%), Number of p-frames dropped: 505 (0.52%), Total 909 (0.93%)
21:49:58: =====Stream End: 2013-08-04, 21:49:58=================================================
21:50:08: Using fixed low latency mode, factor 20
21:50:08: =====Stream Start: 2013-08-04, 21:50:08===============================================
21:50:08: Multithreaded optimizations: On
21:50:08: Base resolution: 1920x1080
21:50:08: Output resolution: 1280x720
21:50:08: ------------------------------------------
21:50:08: Loading up D3D10...
21:50:08: Playback device Default
21:50:08: ------------------------------------------
21:50:08: Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (Realtek High Definition Audio)
21:50:08: Using 5.1 speaker setup
21:50:08: ------------------------------------------
21:50:08: Using auxilary audio input: Mikrofon (Realtek High Definition Audio)
21:50:08: ------------------------------------------
21:50:08: Audio Encoding: AAC
21:50:08: bitrate: 128
21:50:08: Using text output
21:50:08: Using bitmap image
21:50:08: Using text output
21:50:08: Using bitmap image
21:50:08: ------------------------------------------
21:50:08: device: Logitech HD Webcam C270,
21:50:08: device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_0825&mi_00#8&6efbb40&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
21:50:08: chosen type: I420, usingFourCC: false, res: 1280x720 - 1280x720, frameIntervals: 333333-2000000, fourCC: 'I420'
21:50:08: audio device: Deaktivieren,
21:50:08: audio device id Disabled,
21:50:08:
21:50:08: Using directshow input
21:50:08: ------------------------------------------
21:50:08: device: AVerMedia HD Capture C985 Bus 3,
21:50:08: device id \\?\pci#ven_1af2&dev_a001&subsys_a0011af2&rev_00#4&355a308d&0&00e1#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{957bd672-7934-4b55-b81a-3e22b14c679a},
21:50:08: chosen type: YV12, usingFourCC: true, res: 1920x1080 - 1920x1080, frameIntervals: 333333-666666, fourCC: 'YV12'
21:50:08:
21:50:08: device audio info - bits per sample: 16, channels: 2, samples per sec: 48000, block size: 4
21:50:08: Using directshow input
21:50:09: ------------------------------------------
21:50:09: Video Encoding: x264
21:50:09: fps: 30
21:50:09: width: 1280, height: 720
21:50:09: preset: veryfast
21:50:09: CBR: no
21:50:09: CFR: no
21:50:09: max bitrate: 2500
21:50:09: buffer size: 5000
21:50:09: quality: 8
21:50:09: ------------------------------------------
21:50:09: Syncing audio to video time (WARNING: you should not be doing this if you are just having webcam desync, that's a separate issue)
21:50:11: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
21:50:11: Server selection: rtmp://live-fra.justin.tv/app
21:50:13: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
21:50:13: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
21:57:00: Total frames rendered: 12320, number of frames that lagged: 3 (0.02%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
21:57:01: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Aborting due to bStopping
21:57:01: Number of times waited to send: 3, Waited for a total of 12291 bytes
21:57:01: Number of b-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Number of p-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Total 0 (0%)
21:57:01: =====Stream End: 2013-08-04, 21:57:01=================================================
21:57:07: Using fixed low latency mode, factor 20
21:57:07: =====Stream Start: 2013-08-04, 21:57:07===============================================
21:57:07: Multithreaded optimizations: On
21:57:07: Base resolution: 1920x1080
21:57:07: Output resolution: 1280x720
21:57:07: ------------------------------------------
21:57:07: Loading up D3D10...
21:57:07: Playback device Default
21:57:07: ------------------------------------------
21:57:07: Using desktop audio input: Lautsprecher (Realtek High Definition Audio)
21:57:07: Using 5.1 speaker setup
21:57:07: ------------------------------------------
21:57:07: Using auxilary audio input: Mikrofon (Realtek High Definition Audio)
21:57:07: ------------------------------------------
21:57:07: Audio Encoding: AAC
21:57:07: bitrate: 128
21:57:07: Using text output
21:57:07: Using bitmap image
21:57:07: Using text output
21:57:07: Using bitmap image
21:57:07: ------------------------------------------
21:57:07: device: Logitech HD Webcam C270,
21:57:07: device id \\?\usb#vid_046d&pid_0825&mi_00#8&6efbb40&0&0000#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{bbefb6c7-2fc4-4139-bb8b-a58bba724083},
21:57:07: chosen type: I420, usingFourCC: false, res: 1280x720 - 1280x720, frameIntervals: 333333-2000000, fourCC: 'I420'
21:57:07: audio device: Deaktivieren,
21:57:07: audio device id Disabled,
21:57:07:
21:57:07: Using directshow input
21:57:07: ------------------------------------------
21:57:07: device: AVerMedia HD Capture C985 Bus 3,
21:57:07: device id \\?\pci#ven_1af2&dev_a001&subsys_a0011af2&rev_00#4&355a308d&0&00e1#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{957bd672-7934-4b55-b81a-3e22b14c679a},
21:57:07: chosen type: YV12, usingFourCC: true, res: 1920x1080 - 1920x1080, frameIntervals: 333333-666666, fourCC: 'YV12'
21:57:07:
21:57:07: device audio info - bits per sample: 16, channels: 2, samples per sec: 48000, block size: 4
21:57:07: Using directshow input
21:57:08: ------------------------------------------
21:57:08: Video Encoding: x264
21:57:08: fps: 30
21:57:08: width: 1280, height: 720
21:57:08: preset: veryfast
21:57:08: CBR: no
21:57:08: CFR: no
21:57:08: max bitrate: 2500
21:57:08: buffer size: 5000
21:57:08: quality: 8
21:57:08: ------------------------------------------
21:57:08: Syncing audio to video time (WARNING: you should not be doing this if you are just having webcam desync, that's a separate issue)
21:57:09: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
21:57:09: Server selection: rtmp://live-fra.justin.tv/app
21:57:11: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
21:57:11: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
22:05:52: RTMPPublisher::BufferedSend: Increasing socket send buffer to ISB 262144
22:18:39: Total frames rendered: 38654, number of frames that lagged: 138 (0.36%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
22:18:40: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Aborting due to bStopping
22:18:40: Number of times waited to send: 259, Waited for a total of 892146 bytes
22:18:40: Number of b-frames dropped: 79 (0.21%), Number of p-frames dropped: 105 (0.27%), Total 184 (0.48%)
22:18:40: =====Stream End: 2013-08-04, 22:18:40=================================================
22:20:19: Video Source Plugin instance deleted; removing dynamically loaded localization strings
22:20:19:
22:20:19: Profiler results:
22:20:19:
22:20:19: ==============================================================
22:20:19: frame - [100%] [avg time: 10.959 ms (cpu time: avg 7.537 ms, total 1.13672e+006 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 99.9%] [unaccounted: 0.1%]
22:20:19: | frame preprocessing and rendering - [58.8%] [avg time: 6.441 ms (cpu time: avg 4.713 ms, total 710834 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 36.1%] [unaccounted: 22.7%]
22:20:19: | | scene->Preprocess - [36.1%] [avg time: 3.954 ms (cpu time: avg 3.587 ms, total 541012 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
22:20:19: | video encoding and uploading - [41.1%] [avg time: 4.507 ms (cpu time: avg 2.817 ms, total 424931 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 38.5%] [unaccounted: 2.58%]
22:20:19: | | flush - [6.61%] [avg time: 0.724 ms (cpu time: avg 0.047 ms, total 7113.65 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
22:20:19: | | CopyResource - [1.99%] [avg time: 0.218 ms (cpu time: avg 0.046 ms, total 6988.83 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
22:20:19: | | conversion to 4:2:0 - [0.265%] [avg time: 0.029 ms (cpu time: avg 0.009 ms, total 1482.01 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
22:20:19: | | call to encoder - [29.2%] [avg time: 3.205 ms (cpu time: avg 2.635 ms, total 397413 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
22:20:19: | | sending stuff out - [0.438%] [avg time: 0.048 ms (cpu time: avg 0.023 ms, total 3556.82 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 0]
22:20:19: | Convert444Threads - [609%] [avg time: 66.712 ms (cpu time: avg 2.727 ms, total 411250 ms)] [avg calls per frame: 1]
22:20:19: ==============================================================
22:20:19:

willll162904 · Aug 5, 2013

OK first thing i noticed is you need to lower your buffer. according to that log it is at 5k, and your upload is a 5k.. thats very bad. make your bit and buf 3000 or at most 3500. keep your buffer the same as your bit. Give capping your fps a shot as i've heard it works well for some people. Just for a test bump your cpu preset to superfast and let me know how the ingame stuttering is after that. I had the same issue with the same cpu and by bumping my preset down it fixed it.

alpinlol · Aug 5, 2013

720p downscale fps at 60 bitrate 3000 uncheck the custom buffer size and check CBR

princeboa · Aug 6, 2013

ok i will try these sugestions :P

princeboa · Aug 7, 2013

So Guys,
my streams run smooth now. I still let the fps @ 30 fps. I putted CBR in with a bitrate of 2800 and everything is fine. Capped my fps with vsync and frame limiter to 58 fps. When my new cooler arrives i will OC my Cpu and do a 60 fps streams.

Thx to all for helping me :)

willll162904 · Aug 7, 2013

Glad it worked out. I highly suggest you bump your bit and buff to 3k and you can run a 60 fps stream fine with that cpu non oced :)

princeboa · Aug 7, 2013

ok i will try it does 60 works with 2800 bit? :D

firstlast22551 · Aug 7, 2013

My stream is now running smoothly. I'm still @ 30 FPS FPS let the. I have a 2800 CBR bit rate conversion, everything is fine. VSYNC and frame limiter to 58 FPS capped my FPS. Upon arrival of my new cooler I mean the Cpu OC and 60 frames in the stream.

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willll162904 · Aug 8, 2013

I suggest bumping to 3k for 60 fps. not a big difference but it will help quality, plus its a nice round number ;)

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