oh well, i appreciate the help guys i really do, you both went above and beyond to try and help me, this is the first thing that has ever defeated me on the computer, usually if i put my mind to something i can do it, wether it take days of reading or not, but either something with my setup is stopping me or im just clueless to this, guess ima have to give up, ima try one more time since jack0r was nice enough to upload that code, will copy paste and setup exactly as you have it, see if it works which i doubt it will. Thanks guys !