Question / Help Editing program playback is EXTREMELY Choppy, advice?

[MrBayeasy]

Hi,

I am having trouble with my Editing Program (Adobe Premiere) playing this back without massive choppiness. It should be noted that this plays back fine in my video player but once in the program it not only lags when I play it but lags everything else that I have in conjunction with it as well! I would seem as though its too much for my PC to handle but I have an i7 4790k, 16gb Ram, and a Gtx 780 so I shouldn't be having problems. Also I recorded with the other version (Non-Multiplatform) and it was perfectly fine. I also have the same settings enabled that I had in the previous program. I record at 40Mbps, again I did the same in the previous version, as well as CBR/CFR with the Veryfast and Main profile selected. If anyone else is having problems like this or may know the issue I would greatly appreciate some help and I will speedily reply to any posts :). I suppose I can use the older version for now but the multiplatform version is a bit more advanced and has some nice additions that I particularly enjoy! Thanks for taking the time to read and possibly offer a solution and have a great day!

 

[Joe33345]

Are you using Display Capture? Try Window Capture instead. Make sure Display Capture is removed as a source entirely. It fixed all of my lag at one time a while back by simply using Window Capture instead. Make sure OBS MP is set to DX11 as well instead of OpenGL. Best advice I can give you without a log :D

 

[MrBayeasy]

Are you using Display Capture? Try Window Capture instead. Make sure Display Capture is removed as a source entirely. It fixed all of my lag at one time a while back by simply using Window Capture instead. Make sure OBS MP is set to DX11 as well instead of OpenGL. Best advice I can give you without a log :D

Yes I was using display capture however I tested it with Game Capture and it still produced the same result. The weird thing is I opened it into Sony Vegas 13 and I saw no similar affect. It played just as it should, I also went back to the older OBS and tried the same exact settings I had in the Multiplatform version and the video played back just as it should in Adobe. It's really strange it seems as though there is some weird misinformation between the newer version of OBS and Adobe's code that is preventing it from playing back smoothly. I have also tried rendering out a segment of affected video and it comes out playing smooth and unaffected which is really odd.

Also how do you insert a log, sorry for my ignorance I am fairly new to the forum as well as with recording with OBS. I only recently started because I switched to Adobe and appreciated OBS's ability to enable CFR. Thanks for the help so far and I will test the window capture thing!

 

[dodgepong]

Please post a log.

 

[MrBayeasy]

Please post a log.

How? Again sorry for my ignorance I just don't see where I can pull that up.

 

[MrBayeasy]

Please post a log.

Actually I think I see it now. Here is the Log files from my testing session that night. I tried another one where I used my Elgato at my streaming Bitrate and Resolution (3.5Mbps at 720p 60fps) and it seemed to play back better than the test with 40Mbps 1080p 60fps but it still encountered massive stuttering and freezes but just not as often. This newer version of OBS is really nice and I would like to use it, I just can't edit a still image with audio playing in the background. Also I tried capturing for a small amount of time and put that test capture into Adobe Premiere and experienced the same results, I then took that file and ran it through handbrake with the same settings that I recorded it at and that file worked perfectly. If you can solve this mystery I will be literally indebted haha. In the meantime I will try to capture with different file formats and tinker with some settings to try and resolve this, thanks for all the help so far!

 

[Lain]

Thank you kindly.

I feel like your encoder settings may be partially to blame for the issue, though I feel like any good video editor should be able to handle it. 40000 bitrate is unusual. You should: ignore bitrate, use custom buffer size, set buffer size to 0, and then use the "CRF" as your quality/file size quotient (usually I'd set it to like 16 for super high quality).

I'd be interested in knowing what sort of settings affect the editing result.

 

[MrBayeasy]

Thank you for your reply and I will gladly give those a try, I have used the exact settings of 1080p 60fps at 40Mbps Constant Frame Rate with the original OBS and didn't have a problem with the file in Adobe. I understand 40000 bitrate is unusual but from my time making videos I find that despite YouTube's compression the better you record and render the better it will be in the end result. It is just strange that it works fine in Sony Vegas as well as plays back fine in Windows Movie Player, not to mention that the problematic file in question worked fine in Adobe once run through Handbrake. In addition when I render out a segment of clip that is stuttering and freezing it plays back perfectly fine. Honestly I really enjoy OBS because you can enable "CFR" which makes it compatible with Adobe without the need for an encoder such as Handbrake, I will report back with the results and thanks once again! In the meantime would you recommend using the quality scale for streaming as well, and if so would you recommend the same number of 16? So for example 720p 60fps quality "16?" I do both so it would just be useful knowing as it will probably help me in the future.

 

[MrBayeasy]

Hey so I tried your suggestion as well as some variations of it and no dice. It still plays back terribly choppy and freezes often, the audio plays in the background but the video just doesn't want to play normally. One thing I forgot to mention is that ever since I tried using OBS MP to record every single video/test I've done has resulted with the first frame of the video being a blank green image. It isn't that way in WMP or Sony Vegas but when imported into Adobe Premiere the first frame is green. Not sure what to make of this because as I stated before the Older OBS recorded with the same settings and doesn't have a problem. I also tried using the 32bit version to see if there was any variation but to no avail. I actually love OBS MP as it provides for a wider range of customization and its still in development which is amazing. However, I am fearful of when you guys eventually replace the old OBS with MP. Your program is the only one that I actually enjoy using that I can enable CFR (Constant Frame Rate) to make it directly compatible with Adobe without secondary encoding. Just for the record I did enable VFR to see if it would make a difference and it didn't. Here is every test I did I believe, I hope this problem can be resolved. I would be happy to assist you in any way to need with feedback and such, I'm sure there are others out there with a similar problem.

 

[Harold]

The problem is likely with the decoders that premiere is using then.

 

[MrBayeasy]

The problem is likely with the decoders that premiere is using then.

Well there is no doubt some conflict between OBS MP and Premiere, however that doesn't really help as the older OBS still works fine. So there really should be no reason that it doesn't work the same considering its the same program just better. The only thing I can think of is that there is something that is in OBS that has yet to be implemented into MP as its still in early development as far as I know. Whether the problem is indeed on Premiere's side I have no doubt as it works fine elsewhere, but if OBS works then OBS MP should too. I can easily still use OBS until this is resolved but what worries me is that it wont be resolved before they ultimately discontinue OBS for OBS MP.

 

[Schauerland]

hey there.
i have the same problem with premiere & obs-studio.
Im recording lossless with qp=0 preset=ultrafast.

im not an expert but someone in another forum said that the chunks? obs is writing are extremly small, so the premiere decoder has problem with it.
hey found that out using ffmpeg.

so i never tried classic, but if this also works for me i will report back.

 

[slashing_air]

I have exactly the same problem! Video recorded with OBS Studio run fine on VLC but super heavy stutter on adobe premiere cc 2014. No sure what is causing it.

The exact same setting in OBS Classic produce a smooth video in both VLC and Premiere. I've tried all settings in OBS studio and the result is exactly the same, smooth in VLC but stutter in Premiere. There must be something new in Studio that is causing this that doesn't exist in classic. I notice that the video produced by studio have more metadata compared to classic, although I don't think that is what causing the problem.

 

[MrBayeasy]

I have exactly the same problem! Video recorded with OBS Studio run fine on VLC but super heavy stutter on adobe premiere cc 2014. No sure what is causing it.

The exact same setting in OBS Classic produce a smooth video in both VLC and Premiere. I've tried all settings in OBS studio and the result is exactly the same, smooth in VLC but stutter in Premiere. There must be something new in Studio that is causing this that doesn't exist in classic. I notice that the video produced by studio have more metadata compared to classic, although I don't think that is what causing the problem.

I did eventually resolve this problem by downloading the newest version of Premiere Pro, I'm not sure exactly what version but I know for a fact that I'm using PPCC 2015 unlike before when I was using the 2014 version. Again to reiterate I was having problems with Classic and micro stuttering, so I decided to switch to Studio which produced a micro stutter free video. When I tried to import into PPCC 2014 I was met with massive lagging and stutter within the Premiere Program, and I was only able to edit the OBS Studio footage in either Sony Vegas pro or Premiere Pro 2015. I would suggest trying to latest version ofor Premiere, or literally anything beyond the 2015 release. Obviously, the latest version should work the best so I'd go with that one, however if you are feel like testing you can try later versions of the 2014 release which might have fixed the problem, but it's really up to you. That is the simple and easy fix, hope that helped!
If you find the time check out my YouTube, I'd really appreciate it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-daNHCJuyw

 

[NalaNosivad]

Premiere Pro has never once decoded H.264 video encoded by OBS (be in x264, NVENC, QuickSync) smoothly for me, or in fact any high-bitrate H.264 files.

That's why my workflow now involves creating either MXF, ProRes, or utvideo proxies to work with while editing, and use the raw files for the final encode.

 

[slashing_air]

I did eventually resolve this problem by downloading the newest version of Premiere Pro, I'm not sure exactly what version but I know for a fact that I'm using PPCC 2015 unlike before when I was using the 2014 version. Again to reiterate I was having problems with Classic and micro stuttering, so I decided to switch to Studio which produced a micro stutter free video. When I tried to import into PPCC 2014 I was met with massive lagging and stutter within the Premiere Program, and I was only able to edit the OBS Studio footage in either Sony Vegas pro or Premiere Pro 2015. I would suggest trying to latest version ofor Premiere, or literally anything beyond the 2015 release. Obviously, the latest version should work the best so I'd go with that one, however if you are feel like testing you can try later versions of the 2014 release which might have fixed the problem, but it's really up to you. That is the simple and easy fix, hope that helped!
If you find the time check out my YouTube, I'd really appreciate it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-daNHCJuyw

Will try this and report back!

 

[Schauerland]

I still have problems and ever used the latest version of premiere (also tested 2014 - you can install old versions thru the creative cloud installer)

Fact ist that mp4s that other programs create have no problems even with high bitrates (tested Bandicam with NVENC in highest setting an bitrate and also encoded a file via premiere itself with 300 Mbit) and the files run smoothly.

it SEEMS that the files have other fps that they should.
Im just diving into ffmpeg and x264 documentary as well as obs:s source.

here's the thread: https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/60-fps-in-video-ist-actual-59-49-fps-in-record.52271/page-2

i will tell more if i'm shure im on the right track.

 

[slashing_air]

Ok solved this by upgrading Premiere CC to 2015. I tried to investigate further and it seems that somehow x264 encoder (Libx264) recorded in OBS Studio is being read in premiere 2014 as Quick Time Video.

Weird, I'm not sure what is causing this. Premiere CC 2015 read the video as x264 video so it doesn't have the same problem. So it is confirmed to be a CC 2014 problem.

 

[Eric Buist]

I am having a similar issue with Corel's VideoStudio, both X8 and X10. The longer my recording is, the longer it takes to start playback, cut the clips, mark beginning and end, etc. Sometimes playback becomes super choppy, both audio and video. It started to happen more and more often since a week or two, and now reached the point I just cannot edit anymore. Seems I have to re-encode all my video files in another format, but there is no good encoder out there, they just show a confusing UI with lots of useless options, and process one file at a time while I have tens of recorded files.
This worked a lot better with Bandicam but I had to encode in AVI for the files to work with VideoStudio. I cannot figure out why MPEG-$ files, which are ISO standard, cause such issues while AVI, which is a container that can hold pretty much any format inside, work correctly. But I'm just stuck with MP4 files and don't want to rollback my Minecraft game to the point before these recordings, and then try to re-record with other settings or program.

 

[MrBayeasy]

Ok well I resolved my issue with premiere pro by upgrading to the latest version at the time, so considering this I would do the following if you haven't already:

1. Upgrade to the latest version of your editing program

2. Upgrade to the latest version of OBS Studio (for future recordings)

3. Clean out your cache of previous files from your editing program as sometimes when the cache gets full editing can get slowed down

4. Use a hard drive checking tool to view the health of your drive(s) as the reason this might be happening only recently could be due to your hard drive beginning to fail.

5. If none of these work I would suggest getting a trial of Premiere Pro or Sony Vegas (latest versions) and finish editing your stockpile of videos there so you dont have to roll back your minecraft playthrough. Then do a few non important trial recordings to see if the before mentioned upgrades to the programs worked. If not I would consider getting an editing program that seemlessly supports the file types you desire to work with. Sony Vegas Pro and Premiere Pro CC (again, latest versions) are the best IMO, you can also try Divinci Resolve as ive heard good things about it but considering ive not used it myself I dont know if similar file problems to the ones you have now would occur, id guess they wouldnt due to the popularity of the software.

Hope that helps!

Also if you do decide to get a different editing program I am pretty sure that Sony Vegas Pro is similar to Corel Studio, dont qoute me on it you'll need to do your own research, but if it is then the transition should be fairly seemless.

In addition Handbrake is a good re-encoder tool if you need one. Very simple and you can que up files. Naturally you cant do more than one at a time, but I dont think any of them would tbh