Laptop to live record OBS specs

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lagoausente

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Hello, I have used a old Lenovo T410 that has a integrated Intel Hd graphics card, and a USB 2.0 hdmi input. So can live record at 720p. Some time to time I have a drop. 1080 seems too much for this computer. Processor is I5 M560m first generation.
I get the Hdmi from a Panasonic video camera. VXF990.

I´m considering buy another laptop. I found a model from lenovo (Used graded A), that has other connecstions I should like (like expresscard for other things), and usb 3.0, ,thunderbolt. Ingegrated graphics are NVIDIA Quadro M2000M and processor i7-6820HQ. This laptoop is from 2015 and comes with windowns 11.

I have seen another laptops with better graphics more on the gamer side. For similar price on new have found Ideapd gaming 3, that has a very powersul graphics card but i5 processor. It´s more recent but lower category from lenovo. Also is missing expresscard (that should be useful for me, because I have a expressscard to firewire 1984 converter that works fine on my old T410 and need for a soundcard).

I should ask at the forum that know better the ussage and requirements of OBS, so should may guide me. The idea is to get a usb 3.0 hdmi video capture, not sure if exists thunderbolt video capture with hdmi input, so should record the video coming from the Panasonic camera directly on OBS. No effects or maybe Croma as much.
I should like to can record 1080 fluid, so I´m not sure if the P50 with the NVIDIA Quadro M2000M and processor i7-6820HQ should be enough or I shold be looking more in a more recent laptop with more powerful graphics on a gaming laptop?

Also should edit later some videos on Filmora. No many effects realy. Only some transitions.



Alternative is to record the camera and then select clip by clip to the computer, even that, not sure if NVIDIA Quadro M2000M and processor i7-6820HQ
is right for basic video editing and gaming cards are needed from extreme 3D games.., of if should take advantage of a gaming card if I don´t game.


Thank you in advance. Hope anyone could hel me.
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DayGeckoArt

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A new laptop with a current generation processor and graphics card will be much better but there are a couple of things to consider.

The first thing is which capture device to use. One feature I consider important is 4:4:4 video input but I don't know if that matters for you. You may want to capture 4K, and many capture devices only go up to 1080p.

I have a Blackmagic 4K HDMI to Thunderbolt capture device and it works great but you need a computer that supports Thunderbolt over USB-C. For the Thunderbolt Blackmagic device, I have a Macbook Air with that capability and also an Alienware M16 R2 laptop with one port that works for Thunderbolt.
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You also need a special USB-C cable that is capable of transferring the Thunderbolt signal, I had to buy one of these "chubby" cables
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I also have the Elgato Camlink which will make your camera show up as a webcam. I always had sound issues with it.

Another one I have is the Elgato HD60 which is a passthrough device meant for recording gaming consoles. It's more reliable and sound works, but only allows 1080p 4:2:0 capture even though the passthrough signal can be 4k.

Get a laptop with Nvidia graphics, but not the MX series, and you will get a really good video encoder. An RTX 4050 or 4060 is fine. Intel CPUs have a decent encoder too but it's not capable of 4:4:4 and struggles with 4K. Ryzen's encoder is very spotty, I wouldn't rely on it.
 

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Both Gen 2 & Gen 6 are no longer supported. If you do buy either of those geriatric PC's, use OBS 27.2.4 & don't update OBS ever.
 
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lagoausente

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DayGeckoArt said:
A new laptop with a current generation processor and graphics card will be much better but there are a couple of things to consider.

The first thing is which capture device to use. One feature I consider important is 4:4:4 video input but I don't know if that matters for you. You may want to capture 4K, and many capture devices only go up to 1080p.

I have a Blackmagic 4K HDMI to Thunderbolt capture device and it works great but you need a computer that supports Thunderbolt over USB-C. For the Thunderbolt Blackmagic device, I have a Macbook Air with that capability and also an Alienware M16 R2 laptop with one port that works for Thunderbolt.
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You also need a special USB-C cable that is capable of transferring the Thunderbolt signal, I had to buy one of these "chubby" cables
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I also have the Elgato Camlink which will make your camera show up as a webcam. I always had sound issues with it.

Another one I have is the Elgato HD60 which is a passthrough device meant for recording gaming consoles. It's more reliable and sound works, but only allows 1080p 4:2:0 capture even though the passthrough signal can be 4k.

Get a laptop with Nvidia graphics, but not the MX series, and you will get a really good video encoder. An RTX 4050 or 4060 is fine. Intel CPUs have a decent encoder too but it's not capable of 4:4:4 and struggles with 4K. Ryzen's encoder is very spotty, I wouldn't rely on it.
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Hello, thank you for your reply,

No I will not record 4k at all. 1080 is more than enough. Have seen on the pasta that using 4k requires much more process power but have only sense fo very big images or videos, and the eye doesn´t distinguish between 1080 on a computer. I only plan to make videos for youtube so 4k has no sense.

Still the doubt. The P50 that has the MX graphics card is the last unit from Lenovo that has expresscard. It also has thunderbolt 3 and usb 3.0.
I have a soundcard that works with firewire 800, and have been using my old laptop with this adapter, so if this one dies I have a problem. That soundcard has thunderbolt card accesory but cost 300. Also I could use my actual 2TB 2.5 hdd actually have on the old T410

I have found used lenovo P50 por around 500 eur.

On the gaming side cheap, have found Ideapad gamin 3 for 700, doesn´t admit 2.5 hdd, but has a much more powerful graphics.
But since I just want to record 1080 and even don´t consider 4k at all, I guess if the P50 should work , for me should be a more reasonable upgrade from my actual T410 that is usb 2.0, integrated graphics.


Returning to the point, how much the OBS beneficts of a graphic? I mean, por capturing 1080 should be a difference between the Mx or the RTX 4050?

What to mean with 4:4:4?

If the P50 with the NVIDIA Quadro M2000M should be ok for basic capturing 1080 I should prefer it because compatibiltiy for the expresscard and the 2.5 hdd should be an upgrade from the old laptop I have without spend so much money.

Just basic editing on filmora as much 1080p.
Not sure if worth spend too much on a recent computer that is less compatible. (should need to buy a M2 hdd for 2TB should be expensive).
Actually, I´m recording on the camera SD, even the old laptop can capture decent at 720, (win 7), so I thought the P50 should be a enough upgrade to capture 1080 and keep compatbility from my actual 2.5hdd. Expresscard etc.

I don´t consider 4k at all.

May that change your suggestions? as said, I´m not sure about how much influence have a modern gaming RTX on OBs.

Thank you in advance.
 
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rockbottom

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If they were the only (2) to select from, the Gen 6 with the 2000M. Stick with v27.2.4 & the Nvidia encoder should work. Last driver available is around 375.xx. The CPU has an iGPU that can be put into service if a back-up is ever needed in a pinch.

Newer versions of OBS require a Nvidia driver higher than 531.xx & Gen 7 maybe 8 for the iGPU.


Intel® Core™ i7-6820HQ Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.60 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ i7-6820HQ Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.60 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
www.intel.com www.intel.com

This may or may not get you to the Nvidia driver(s)

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lagoausente

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rockbottom said:
If they were the only (2) to select from, the Gen 6 with the 2000M. Stick with v27.2.4 & the Nvidia encoder should work. Last driver available is around 375.xx. The CPU has an iGPU that can be put into service if a back-up is ever needed in a pinch.

Newer versions of OBS require a Nvidia driver higher than 531.xx & Gen 7 maybe 8 for the iGPU.


Intel® Core™ i7-6820HQ Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.60 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ i7-6820HQ Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.60 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
www.intel.com www.intel.com

This may or may not get you to the Nvidia driver(s)

www.nvidia.com

Driver Results | <dd~ProductName> | <dd~OSName>

Lookup results for <dd~ProductName> product and Operating System <dd~OSName>
www.nvidia.com
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Thank you for your reply:

There is some misunderstanding:
the i5 560M is the processor of the old T410 I have now with integratec graphics and usb 2.0.

The 2 alternatives was the P50 you mentioned.,
and the Ideapad Gaming 3

Could be any other, select that ideapad because of price no too high. This one has i5-12450H and RTX™ 3050 4GB GDDR6.

So regarding Cpu, the P50 seems 3 times faster than the old one I have and the new gaming Ideapad seems near 10x times faster.

Here the comparison https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...i7-6820HQ-vs-Intel-i5-560M-vs-Intel-i5-12450H

So clearly the new Ideapad even cheaper class from Lenovo seems much more performance than the P50 (released in 2015).

So I should go for the Ideapad , bad things for me are that is now compatible with some things like 2.5hdd, no expresscard.

The question is, and hope I will be clearing things more, I know that for games..., the cpu performance and the GPU performance is a must, but for capturing video with OBS and basic editing with Filmora for youtube videos at 1080...., I dont know hos much the OBS is performance dependent (or is more the OBS version update limitations?)

If go for the old unit, P50 I could stay on the version you said of OBS, for me should be ok if will perform fluid for capturing 1080.

- If go for a more recent laptop, like the Ideapad Gaming much more performance, I could use more recente OBS version, not sure if will take advantage of such a powerful graphics, or if should be "empty" for this tasks?


Hope the question may be better raised now.

thank you.
 
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rockbottom

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I don't know about that Ideapad, looks thin. The cooling solution might not be very robust, Gen 12 runs hot. It could throttle when running hard. The only way to find out is to test it, same with the Gen 6. I wouldn't buy anything if it's "All Sales Are Final" deal.
 
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lagoausente

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rockbottom said:
I don't know about that Ideapad, looks thin. The cooling solution might not be very robust, Gen 12 runs hot. It could throttle when running hard. The only way to find out is to test it, same with the Gen 6. I wouldn't buy anything if it's "All Sales Are Final" deal.
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you mean not buy if can´t return right?.

I think will go for the P50. Is from a web that allows 2 year optional warranty and 14 day return.
modern options seem a lot of money to keep safety, as you said about the Ideapad.., have sense since its the low category from lenovo.
 
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lagoausente

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lagoausente said:
Fine, thank you,

Regarding capure options, the P50 has thunderbolt 3 and usb 3.0
I see many usb 3.0 capture with hdmi input. Any sugestion?
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I see some Blackmagic like the 2 posted, that are thunderbolt 3. Not cheap. (from 180 eur)
There are others usb 3 at 33 eur, not sure if the difference. Thunderbolt is really different that usb 3.0., but not sure if any difference to record video from hdmi? you think is there any stability issue, latency? No idea?
thank you in advance.
 
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The USB 3 should be A-OK, it is on my 6th gen (6700k/Z170). TB3, however, may not be up to spec so I would not rely on it. As far as I'm aware, TB on Intel chipsets wasn't up to speed until Gen 12.
 
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lagoausente

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rockbottom said:
The USB 3 should be A-OK, it is on my 6th gen (6700k/Z170). TB3, however, may not be up to spec so I would not rely on it. As far as I'm aware, TB on Intel chipsets wasn't up to speed until Gen 12.
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Fine, I have found quite cheap basic usb 3 sticks, from 18 euro con amazon like this one:

and other type box with audio and headphones like this one:

I will be using external pro audio soundcard so audio is not an issue for me. They are typical no brand. I actually have a usb 2.0 stick and work with the very old T410 laptop. So I suspect the first link one should work, not sure if any recomendation for a branded one if not too expensive and features I will not need like audio.

In the other hand, have been searching another better candidate for the laptop.
Lenovo P53 model. (I miss expresscard that I´m using for a pro soundcard) but can buy a thunderbolt for it.

This changes things a bit regarding OBS:

Option 1, Intel i7-9750H , NVIDIA Quadro T1000 4Gb DDR5 , 32 ram. From a respetable web 14 day return, 1 year warranty optional 2 years with only 7 euro (they web is pro seller laptos come from banks, offices...

Option 2, i7-9850H, NVIDIA Quadro RTX 3000 6G , 64 ram . Seller from ebay with very good reputation (from the own ebay info say).
14 day return, 1 year warranty (no 2 year option).

Here is the comparison about the performance between T1000 and the RTX 3000

RTX 3000 (móvel) vs. T1000 (móvel) [en 18 benchmarks]

Comparamos RTX 3000 (móvel) y T1000 (móvel): especificaciones técnicas, juegos y pruebas de rendimiento.
technical.city technical.city

Even the T1000 is quite superior to the M2000m I considered yesterday, and also now CPU is 9 generation instead 6 on the P53 model.
(yesterday I was focused on P50 just because had expresscard).

Now have doubt between them. Option 1 is around 650 eur with SSD 512, around 725 eur with 1TB and 32 ram.

Option 2, is 845 eur shipped, but has fixed 1TB SSD and 64 ram ( I don´t think is needed such amount of ram).


Is the same model, different graphics (T1000 vs RTX 3000), not sure if RTX should be too hot to this laptop. Is more rare to find than the T1000 that are many.
Price is a bit higher on option 2, because is fixed 64 ram and 1tb SSD, maybe 50 eur for the RTX difference only.

Price on option 1 can very depending if stay with 32 ram, and 512 SSD. If add 1TB SSD and 64 ram will get near the same as the other. (But don´t think need 64gb of ram). So now the doubts.

Looked at this model because have 3 Hdd (two M2 slots) and 1 slot for a 2.5 standard laptop hdd. So could buy a big hdd for data (2TB or more) for low price these days.
This model was released on 2019 and was top from Lenovo.

So now, not sure what are your opinions about the graphic difference, this make me wonder since there is difference but not such difference comparing to older M2000m, or newers RTX 4050 or similar gaming laptops.

So on this model, I think could be looking for a more long term use. Both cpu are 9 gen, so not sure if it´s worth the RTX3000 and the extra cost, RAM.

Comparison again.

RTX 3000 (móvel) vs. T1000 (móvel) [en 18 benchmarks]

Comparamos RTX 3000 (móvel) y T1000 (móvel): especificaciones técnicas, juegos y pruebas de rendimiento.
technical.city technical.city

Hope now I will be better oriented and waiting your opinions.
 
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lagoausente

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Sorry for asking again for a new configuration.
Have been reading some posts. One of them was quite interesting regarding the equilibrate selecting the Cpu and Gpu.
So, now that I´m considering another laptop more recent, with same CPU 9 gen, so my main doubt is the ratio between the CPU and the two graphic options (and prices).
So should go for the RTX 3000 if should have advantage in any sense like editing video. (not gaming).
Actually I´m using Filmora.Maybe will change on the future but even this quite simple video editor has an option to use Gpu aceleration. Even I´m not sure how much difference make in video editing.
Regarding just recording I suspect both options should be ok. Just guessing if should get a more fluid, edition or faster rendering with the RTX3000 graphics using both same Cpu.

Thank you in advance.
 
DayGeckoArt

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The RTX3000 is a decent graphics card but is already 5 years old. If you're recording 1080p 60fps it may struggle. I think you should also consider recording in 4K because there is a major difference. I have a 4k 32 inch monitor and I can definitely see the higher res!

On the 4:4:4 I mentioned, that's the color chroma. Basically it means both chroma (color) and luminance (brightness) data is recorded at full resolution. In typical 4:2:0 encoding, the luminance is full resolution (1920x1080) but the color data is 1/4 that (960x540). If you record 4K with 4:2:0 you get 3840x2160 luminance and 1920x1080 color.

No matter what, I highly recommend a good brand capture card because it will impact reliability and maybe image quality. Elgato and Blackmagic are established brands
 
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lagoausente

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Understand what you say about 4k, but that should require more power. And for upload standard YouTube videos Im not after the perfect image color. I think nowbody will notice that (I should have a pro YouTube channel to need that.


I know a laptop is no ideal for video of course.
Other user mentioned he has a 6 gen cpu, so wonder more opinions.

Don't want waste money. Basic 1080p recording and video editing is enough.

Question is, its worth the money of any of my proposed laptops? Any others suggestion?
P50 is around 500€ M2000m i7 gen 6
P53 with T1000 is 650€ i7 gen 9
P53 with RTX 3000 is around 800-850

Have seen Msi gaming laptops with i7 and gen 13 Rtx 4070 for 1200€ new.
But limited on collections no thunderbolt two M2 slots no OS.

Im no sure if need such power for video in a laptop maybe, don't know but I should want some versatile.
 
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lagoausente

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Just to consider,
I have a ancient T410 will intel gma integrated graphics (release 2010)
Im considering upgrade to something decent but compatible with other uses like my pro soundcard. (Uses firewire 800 or Thunderbolt).
So thats the reason I looked at those models.
If no of them are ok for video I should record inside the Panasonic Sd and buy the P50 that is the most basic for video but a replace if the T410 die.
I didn't mention that some weeks ago it fall down and I went to ebay for a cheap similar T410. But most are too old..
The reason I started this thread with the also old P50 (2015) is because has expresscard and I have a adapter to firewire 800.
Last model with expresscard is P50.

After.that considered P53 and buy a thunderbolt card for the soundcard (has both options firewire and Thunderbolt).

Not sure if any of them should be ok for Obs or if must forget it and just get a laptop for audio to replace my T410 that is too old and may die.

Maybe should 8 forget video or.get a dedicated one?

Also if buy a 1500 one will be "too old after 5 years? Have sense? Never end story?
All seem "too old"

Any other opinions?
 
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lagoausente

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No opinion??

Have been reading threads using old laptops from 2010 to the most modern 40xx series. Of course with different opinions.

Trying to be more short:

P50 is around 500€ M2000m i7 gen 6
P53 with T1000 is 650€ i7 gen 9
P53 with RTX 3000 is around 800-850

Want to record 1080p with a standard hdmi usb 3.0 capture in OBS. And some basic editing in Filmora.

From the three the RTX 3000 is the more performance. Is enough? Should be the T1000 no diference for this purpose?

Should be the M2000m to limited maybe?

I should like to take a decision and get some opinion.
Thank you.
 
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rockbottom

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More performance is always better, newer is almost always better too. The 6th Gen should have already been eliminated.

Option 1, i7-9850H, NVIDIA Quadro RTX 3000 6G , 64 ram . Seller from ebay with very good reputation (from the own ebay info say).
14 day return, 1 year warranty (no 2 year option).

Option 2, Intel i7-9750H , NVIDIA Quadro T1000 4Gb DDR5 , 32 ram. From a respetable web 14 day return, 1 year warranty optional 2 years with only 7 euro (they web is pro seller laptos come from banks, offices...


 
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