Feel like I'm missing something

[FinleyCodes]

Hello all,

I've been feeling like I've potentially been missing an encoding setting. I see other streamers (Tubbo in specific) getting a good, high quality 1080p60 stream at 6k bitrate and Nvenc, yet I do the same and it appears blurry with a few artefacts. I feel like I've tried everything at this point, including b-frames, look-ahead, colour spacing, and even colour profiles.
I do have a GPU with the Turing encoder (I have the 1660 super)
Any help would be much appreciated.

- Thanks, Finn

 

[FinleyCodes]

OBS log ?

Sure, attached the file. I've been doing the testing in recording, btw, not streaming

 

[FerretBomb]

Why have people been using 4 b-frames so much lately? That's only going to help on VERY low-motion video while being actively harmful on high-motion. I've seen it in-use on three separate threads in the last two weeks. Did someone put out a new 'best settings' video?

I'd strongly recommend swapping to the Quality preset instead of Max Quality, and turning OFF both Lookahead and Psychovisual Tuning. These are preventative recommendations though, as you aren't getting appreciable amounts of rendering lag or encoding overload. Their image quality gains are minimal at best, and they tend to cause problems more often than not.

The really short version is though, 1080p60 video "wants" 12mbps to hit the 0.1bpp reducing-rate-of-returns quality marker. 6mbps isn't going to ever look great, and will just look worse and worse the more motion there is... especially first-person and third-person games with lots of full-screen motion, where even 0.1bpp isn't really enough.
Some streamers will violate the 6mbps recommended maximum to push this, but it REALLY isn't recommended unless you have guaranteed transcodes, as it will reduce the accessibility of your stream. The higher you go, it also increases the chances of the stream bugging out entirely.

 

[FerretBomb]

and when you Twitch partner you can use higher bitrate 8000 or so

There is no special higher bitrate allowance for Twitch Partners. Going past the 6000 cap is entirely at-your-own-risk, partner or not.

Partners do have guaranteed transcodes, which just makes using a high bitrate (including 6000!) less harmful to potential viewer accessibility.

 

[FinleyCodes]

Why have people been using 4 b-frames so much lately? That's only going to help on VERY low-motion video while being actively harmful on high-motion. I've seen it in-use on three separate threads in the last two weeks. Did someone put out a new 'best settings' video?

The only reason I started testing 4 b-frames because it's suggested on Nvidia's own Nvenc guide.

I'd strongly recommend swapping to the Quality preset instead of Max Quality, and turning OFF both Lookahead and Psychovisual Tuning. These are preventative recommendations though, as you aren't getting appreciable amounts of rendering lag or encoding overload. Their image quality gains are minimal at best, and they tend to cause problems more often than not.

I've just tried a test recording with these settings and the default b-frames amount of 2. I personally think that made the video quality even worse.

The really short version is though, 1080p60 video "wants" 12mbps to hit the 0.1bpp reducing-rate-of-returns quality marker. 6mbps isn't going to ever look great, and will just look worse and worse the more motion there is... especially first-person and third-person games with lots of full-screen motion, where even 0.1bpp isn't really enough.
Some streamers will violate the 6mbps recommended maximum to push this, but it REALLY isn't recommended unless you have guaranteed transcodes, as it will reduce the accessibility of your stream. The higher you go, it also increases the chances of the stream bugging out entirely.

This is true, yet I still see big streamers using 6mbps getting very much high quality 1080p60 using the same encoder, and the same situations in the same game.

Thanks for all the help, really appreciate it :)

 

[FinleyCodes]

but always think about it, rather good content and shit picture as shit content and good picture;)

I figured I can't make good content, so may as well focus on picture ;)

 

[FinleyCodes]

I figured I can't make good content, so may as well focus on picture ;)

I probably shouldn't have said that...