Question / Help Custom Resolutions (Input & Output)

xBonzaii

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Hi, I have a question about capture cards and custom resolutions.

I was wondering if it is possible for a capture card to accept custom 16:9 resolutions. Then upscale the signal to 4K before sending it to my TV, without significantly increasing input lag.

This is the downside of 4K TVs that I just figured out recently.. They only accept signal resolutions of either 1080p or 4K.

I tried adding 3200x1800@30hz through an EDID editor, but my TV won't accept it..
 

carlmmii

Active Member
That is outside the realm of what a capture card is designed to do. A capture card may understand "non-standard" resolutions, but the HDMI output is always a direct passthrough -- that is to ensure there is no latency experienced by having the capture card in-line with your video signal. There may be rescaling being performed in-card before it outputs a signal to the computer, but the output over HDMI will always be identical to the input.

What you're looking for is what's called an HDMI scaler.
 

xBonzaii

New Member
That is outside the realm of what a capture card is designed to do. A capture card may understand "non-standard" resolutions, but the HDMI output is always a direct passthrough -- that is to ensure there is no latency experienced by having the capture card in-line with your video signal. There may be rescaling being performed in-card before it outputs a signal to the computer, but the output over HDMI will always be identical to the input.

What you're looking for is what's called an HDMI scaler.

Damn that's too bad, there's really no higher end card that has this feature?

I've looked into HDMI scalers, but they aren't readily available where I live, and I do have concerns about input lag with those. The same with AV receivers..

It's really annoying that I can't just force upscaling to a 4K signal resolution on my GPU.

Any other suggestions are also very welcome..
 

carlmmii

Active Member
I'm not aware of any capture card on the market that outputs a scaled HDMI signal. As I said, the only scaling that's possibly happening is going to be for what it outputs to the computer, and even then that's assuming the capture card can even do hardware-level scaling.

Hardware scaling requires a scaler to perform that action. That scaling will also always introduce some amount of latency, so you're right to have concerns about input lag, regardless of the device that's performing it (including the TV's that can do their own scaling).

You say you can't force upscaling to 4k on your GPU... what's your actual setup that you have? Is it just a straight HDMI connection between computer and TV, or is there something else going on?
 

xBonzaii

New Member
I'm not aware of any capture card on the market that outputs a scaled HDMI signal. As I said, the only scaling that's possibly happening is going to be for what it outputs to the computer, and even then that's assuming the capture card can even do hardware-level scaling.

Hardware scaling requires a scaler to perform that action. That scaling will also always introduce some amount of latency, so you're right to have concerns about input lag, regardless of the device that's performing it (including the TV's that can do their own scaling).

You say you can't force upscaling to 4k on your GPU... what's your actual setup that you have? Is it just a straight HDMI connection between computer and TV, or is there something else going on?

Yes, there's an HDMI cable connecting both directly.

And I can use NVIDIA's custom resolutions to make a desktop resolution of 1800p on a signal resolution of 4K, but there's no way to make that resolution seem like it's native for my TV. Which means, I can only apply NVIDIA's DSR to 4K and not the resolution I want.

When I try to use an EDID editor to delete all 4K resolutions and add 1800p as the highest possible option, I can trick my GPU driver into thinking that's my TV's native resolution and will scale DSR to it. But the problem is that my TV won't actually accept a signal resolution of 1800p.

Ideally there'd be some software or hardware option that will automatically upscale anything to a signal resolution of 4K, so I can scale DSR from any resolution I prefer. But so far, I haven't found a solution without causing additional problems..

I feel like upscaling a signal resolution shouldn't be such a problem, the GPU could probably do it in an instant, there's simply no option to do so.

And on the other hand, EDID resolutions only apply to the signal, there doesn't seem to be a way to add an upscaled resolution.

Seriously, any help or advice would be much appreciated, I've been trying to figure this out for days..

Thank you in advance! :)
 
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xBonzaii

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After hours and hours of searching online, I think I've finally found a device that will perform the scaling with only a minimal increase in input lag. Since this could also be interesting for content creators and streamers, I thought I'd share this with you guys.

 
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