Question / Help Aux send with FX to main pc from streaming pc - possible?

[vapeahoy]

Hello everyone!

I have been trying to setup this with 2 pc's over a qx1622 mixer, but I can't record the FX "sent with" on main pc, but of course recording it on streaming pc works just fine.

I know the FX send is limited to one signal, but I've tried several ways cabling this, I'm still stuck :\

I know it probably sounds like a minor issue, but it's been driving me crazy. I've tried every single connection option I can think of with cables I have at hand. I can get it across if i set mixer to game over usb but that of course just sends the whole mix..

qx1622 usb mixer, mdx 4600, mic 2200, several sound cards.

Cheers!

 

[Adrian Schofield]

To be honest this doesn't actually sound like an OBS problem but I'm intrigued. Why do you need the FX audio on your gaming PC is it for game chat? I'm assuming that you can hear the FX if you just plug your headphones into the mixer?

 

[vapeahoy]

I didn't know where else to ask tbh.. Sorry about that :\
Yes for game or voip chat on main pc and similar. And true, can hear the FX thru headphones, but (FX) it can't be recorded on main pc. So, I could talk into mic with some FX enabled, and it will be recordable on streaming pc, it will not on main pc (apart from voice itself). I simply don't understand why it can't just send the FX along, when it can send voice as is, along. Apart from pure shenanigans, having that ability could be quite useful I think. Not to mention it's driving me smithering mad, not knowing why it works this way/how to possibly fix it, yet.

edit: I've watched over quite a few sites online, I've yet to see anyone even mention this. Which just adds fuel to the fire to know why..

 

[Adrian Schofield]

I'd try posting on the Twitch subreddit, tons of people who post there use mixers and might be able to help or point you in the right direction

 

[vapeahoy]

Thank you for kind advice. I have however given it up sadly. It's not possible with this setup, despite all options.

edit: On paper it looks like mixer should be able to send 1 fx with aux to anything, it simply can't. Only along with main mix. Which either can go thru usb or over 6.35 jacks out.

 

[NalaNosivad]

Okay, so just to clarify...

You have your mic coming into the mixer via XLR, you have the compressor connected via the insert jacks on the rear, and you want to be able to use the aux send on the mixer to have a SECOND output of the mic with the compression effects applied going off to another computer entirely with the aux send jack?

The aux send really should be sending out the signal with the effects applied from the compressor, because the insert jack is placed (electronically, at least) right after the preamp and before the EQ, even. What do you get when you record the aux send on the other PC? The raw mic signal without the compression, or nothing at all?

Make sure the highlighted aux send knobs in this image below are pointing straight upwards, and that you're using the highlighted jack in the top-middle of the mixer to send it out. That... should work perfectly.

Image here.

 

[vapeahoy]

Yes to all of that.
Mic is connected to mic 2200, from there it routes back to mixer, sort of -> From the mixer again the "insert" it goes to mdx4600 that takes and combines signal into a final....mix.Hmm, with channel 3/4 on mdx being main out from mixer.
I get only recorded voice without any FX added. I dunno. Ye no man i have been going on this for so many days already. The mic is an sm58 so it needs a lot of power. I have an ur 22 with xlr in/6.35 outs i could also use if that helps ? I would like to setup the mic2200 as a tube only interface - or can i use it as both as preamp and tube at same time for 1 mic? I dont know..
I have it as that picture, and while it works for sending FX to main mix etc. it doesnt work for sending it to anything that FX 1, or 2 for that matter, is connected to. It simply only sends voice, nothing more, period. I dont understand why it doesnt work, but i do know i dont know what to do about it..
IF you really think it should work, maybe mines defect, or my cabling is just horribly wrong somewhere, but everything else, works perfectly..

 

[vapeahoy]

Wait a second, are you saying mic should be in mixer first?

 

[NalaNosivad]

Ah, I missed the MIC2200 preamp in there. My bad! If that's what you want to do, then...
Mic -> XLR in on the MIC2200 -> out via the line out into the line-in on the mixer -> an insert cable (like this) out via the insert jack on the back of the mixer -> plug the end of the insert jack that says ring into the input of the compressor, then the jack that says tip into the output on the compressor.

From then, you just want the aux send knob pointing straight upwards, then either a mono TS or a stereo TRS cable from the highlighted aux send in the image going to the other computer, however that's capturing.

That... should do everything perfectly. If that's how you have it set up and it's not working, I'm completely clueless!

 

[vapeahoy]

mic-> input on mic 2200 output to mixer -> insert to gate , CH1 in/out to -> mixer again. Again, i get FX sent ok to stream, just not to anywhere else out. Whereever i try to send FX out with aux 1, does not work.

 

[NalaNosivad]

When you say you try to send the FX out, do you mean the digital effects built into the mixer, or just the compressor-processed signal? When you say it doesn't work, do you mean you get no sound at all, or the effects just aren't applied?

 

[vapeahoy]

digital effects built into the mixer. effects arent applied to anywhere else but main mix. :\ Ie i can't set a line to aux 1 to send voice over to voip sound card with any fx. it'll only send voice.

 

[AndyMcProducer]

You can do on same pc too with out the need for 2. Using Virtual Cables,
http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/Cable/

Then you can use whatever software you want to do the fx realtime.

Use something liek this http://www.niallmoody.com/apps/pedalboard2
to load in free vst plugins to do verb, delay, flanger, vocoder.

or try this, loads vst3's too and tbh i think it's nicer to use, loads as a vst itself too.
http://www.image-line.com/documents/news.php?entry_id=1391136116

Also a gooden and even simpler is Guitar Rig 5 FREE.

With all, set the output device to the VC Cable device then set the input on OBS to the VC Cable device then it will pick up your mic.
If you want to send the audio direct from one pc to another with out the need for cables then http://www.streamwhatyouhear.com/download/

Remember whatever you pickup the audio with needs to be outputting using the VC Cable device then when obs input device is set to vc cable too then it will pickup whatever audio you push into it.

If you want to say use recording software and have it come out on your speakers and to obs, then you can try
http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/

This is a vst so can go on the master output vst inserts, or a send vst slot on say a mic in. Then you set it to MME, leave rest and set audio device in it to the VC device then click start.


There are other vst tunnel plugins, and some network audio software, or ways to connect software's via network to transfer audio.

On the voxengo site and meldaproductions you will find loads of commercial quality plugins for free.

 

[NalaNosivad]

digital effects built into the mixer. effects arent applied to anywhere else but main mix. :\ Ie i can't set a line to aux 1 to send voice over to voip sound card with any fx. it'll only send voice.

Try the FX send jack instead, then. That's the jack above aux send labelled 2. That's specifically for sending the digital FX, the manual says.

 

[vapeahoy]

You can do on same pc too with out the need for 2. Using Virtual Cables,.

I applaud your creative enthusiasm, and thank you for the links which now reside in my bookmarks. However I chose to go the hardware route for a number of reasons. I do however see the use for doing things in software as far as routing is concerned. But this does not fix the current issue as to a answear why/how. But thank you. I appreciate it.

Try the FX send jack instead, then. That's the jack above aux send labelled 2. That's specifically for sending the digital FX, the manual says.

I did. I also tried taking the mdx out of the equation and while I was sure that would work, audacity does not record the effects sent, even still. I am now thinking it's either a matter of signal strength and that it simply needs more power somehow to get the FX across, or simply I need some other kind of cable and i am simply missing that X cable should really be XX. I just dont see it.

Mono or stereo jack into aux 1/2, "doesnt matter". Boosting signal with receving end doesn't seem to do any good, apart from that volume comes out mostly on 1 channel, which leads me to believe xlr to mono maybe would do the trick... But that just seems so silly. I don't know.