Question / Help QUESTION. . .HELP PLZ

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itzryan

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Hello guys, I am trying to stream World of Warcraft gameplay. The problem is, I lag too much, and my fps is shit lately. Here are my components.

22 download, 4 upload
AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 635 processor 2.9 GHz

My CPU usage is always at 100% usage when I stream, so I know thats not good.

When I stream, I average around 20 fps, however on OBS it says like 10 fps.

Do I need to get a new processor, and if so which? I'm not looking for something amazing, just something to get me by.
 
FerretBomb

FerretBomb

Active Member
Do post a log of a live streaming session; they're stored in %appdata%\OBS\logs\ and timestamped to each cast. They're just textfiles, open it up in Notepad or whatever, and paste it here in between 'code' tags (to keep things neat/compact).

Also, run a 6MB test at http://testmy.net/upload which will test your constant throughput (important for livestreaming and game network communication) as opposed to your 'dead file' transfer speed, which is what Speedtest.net checks on, and your ISP advertises. So you might have a lot less throughput available than you think (causing the in-game lag too if you haven't left enough bandwidth over for it past your streaming bitrate).

These two should give us a good starting point to make recommendations on how to fix/improve things. :)
 
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itzryan

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Open Broadcaster Software v0.461a - 32bit (´・ω・｀)
-------------------------------
CPU Name: AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 635 Processor
CPU Speed: 2916MHz
Physical Memory: 4093MB Total, 1797MB Free
stepping id: 3, model 5, family 15, type 0, extmodel 8, extfamily 0, HTT 1, logical cores 4, total cores 4
Windows Version: 6.1 Build 7601 S
Aero is Disabled
------------------------------------------
Adapter 1
Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250
Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 1054408704
Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 1877766144
=====Stream Start=====================================================================
Multithreaded optimizations: On
Base resolution: 1360x768
Output resolution: 1360x768
------------------------------------------
Loading up D3D10...
------------------------------------------
Using auxilary audio input: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
------------------------------------------
Audio Encoding: AAC
bitrate: 96
Using Window Capture
------------------------------------------
Video Encoding: x264
fps: 30
width: 1360, height: 768
preset: veryfast
CBR: no
max bitrate: 1200
buffer size: 1000
quality: 10
------------------------------------------
Total frames rendered: 45, number of frames that lagged: 24 (53.33%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
=====Stream End=======================================================================
=====Stream Start=====================================================================
Multithreaded optimizations: On
Base resolution: 1360x768
Output resolution: 1360x768
------------------------------------------
Loading up D3D10...
------------------------------------------
Using auxilary audio input: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
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Audio Encoding: AAC
bitrate: 96
 
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itzryan

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:::.. Upload Speed Test Result Details ..:::
Upload Connection Speed:: 2827 Kbps or 2.8 Mbps
Upload Speed Test Size:: 6 MB or 6144 kB or 6291456 bytes | Timed:: 17.807 seconds
Upload Binary File Transfer Speed:: 353 kB/s
Tested At:: http://TestMy.net Version 13
Validation:: http://testmy.net/db/3riIdzx
More Stats:: http://testmy.net/compID/2212467725010
Test Time:: 2013-06-18 01:10:40 Local Time
Location:: Waldorf, MD US >> Destination:: Dallas, TX US
1MB Upload in 2.9 Seconds - 1GB Upload in ~49 Minutes - 50X faster than 56K
 
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itzryan

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Open Broadcaster Software v0.461a - 32bit (´・ω・｀)
-------------------------------
CPU Name: AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 635 Processor
CPU Speed: 2916MHz
Physical Memory: 4093MB Total, 1909MB Free
stepping id: 3, model 5, family 15, type 0, extmodel 8, extfamily 0, HTT 1, logical cores 4, total cores 4
Windows Version: 6.1 Build 7601 S
Aero is Disabled
------------------------------------------
Adapter 1
Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250
Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 1054408704
Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 1877766144
=====Stream Start=====================================================================
Multithreaded optimizations: On
Base resolution: 1360x768
Output resolution: 904x512
------------------------------------------
Loading up D3D10...
------------------------------------------
Using auxilary audio input: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
------------------------------------------
Audio Encoding: AAC
bitrate: 128
Using Monitor Capture
------------------------------------------
Video Encoding: x264
fps: 25
width: 904, height: 512
preset: superfast
CBR: no
max bitrate: 2000
buffer size: 1000
quality: 10
------------------------------------------
Using Window Capture
Total frames rendered: 1177, number of frames that lagged: 248 (21.07%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
=====Stream End=======================================================================
=====Stream Start=====================================================================
Multithreaded optimizations: On
Base resolution: 1360x768
Output resolution: 904x512
------------------------------------------
 
dodgepong

dodgepong

Administrator
Community Helper
You're on a really old version of OBS. Make sure you update to the latest version, 0.522.

Also, don't use Monitor capture if you can avoid it. Use Window capture with Aero enabled or Game capture.
 
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itzryan

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17:27:00: Open Broadcaster Software v0.522b - 32bit (´・ω・｀)
17:27:00: -------------------------------
17:27:00: CPU Name: AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 635 Processor
17:27:00: CPU Speed: 2916MHz
17:27:00: Physical Memory: 4093MB Total, 1668MB Free
17:27:00: stepping id: 3, model 5, family 15, type 0, extmodel 8, extfamily 0, HTT 1, logical cores 4, total cores 4
17:27:00: monitor 1: pos={0, 0}, size={1360, 768}
17:27:00: Windows Version: 6.1 Build 7601 S
17:27:00: Aero is Disabled
17:27:00: -------------------------------
17:27:00: OBS Modules:
17:27:00: Base Address Module
17:27:00: 010C0000 OBS.exe
17:27:00: 5AC40000 OBSApi.dll
17:27:00: 75150000 DShowPlugin.dll
17:27:00: 67E00000 GraphicsCapture.dll
17:27:00: 618D0000 NoiseGate.dll
17:27:00: ------------------------------------------
17:27:00: Adapter 1
17:27:00: Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250
17:27:00: Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 1054408704
17:27:00: Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 1877766144
17:27:00: =====Stream Start: 2013-06-18, 17:27:00===============================================
17:27:00: Multithreaded optimizations: On
17:27:00: Base resolution: 1360x768
17:27:00: Output resolution: 1360x768
17:27:00: ------------------------------------------
17:27:00: Loading up D3D10...
17:27:01: Playback device Default
17:27:01: ------------------------------------------
17:27:01: Using desktop audio input: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
17:27:01: ------------------------------------------
17:27:01: Using auxilary audio input: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
17:27:01: ------------------------------------------
17:27:01: Audio Encoding: AAC
17:27:01: bitrate: 96
17:27:01: Using Window Capture
17:27:01: ------------------------------------------
17:27:01: Video Encoding: x264
17:27:01: fps: 30
17:27:01: width: 1360, height: 768
17:27:01: preset: veryfast
17:27:01: CBR: no
17:27:01: CFR: no
17:27:01: max bitrate: 1200
17:27:01: buffer size: 1000
17:27:01: quality: 10
17:27:01: ------------------------------------------
17:27:11: Total frames rendered: 299, number of frames that lagged: 1 (0.33%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
17:27:11: =====Stream End: 2013-06-18, 17:27:11=================================================
17:27:20: =====Stream Start: 2013-06-18, 17:27:20===============================================
17:27:20: Multithreaded optimizations: On
17:27:20: Base resolution: 1360x768
17:27:20: Output resolution: 1360x768
17:27:20: ------------------------------------------
17:27:20: Loading up D3D10...
17:27:20: Playback device Default
17:27:20: ------------------------------------------
17:27:20: Using desktop audio input: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
17:27:20: ------------------------------------------
17:27:20: Using auxilary audio input: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
17:27:20: ------------------------------------------
17:27:20: Audio Encoding: AAC
17:27:20: bitrate: 96
17:27:20: Using Window Capture
17:27:20: ------------------------------------------
17:27:20: Video Encoding: x264
17:27:20: fps: 30
17:27:20: width: 1360, height: 768
17:27:20: preset: veryfast
17:27:20: CBR: no
17:27:20: CFR: no
17:27:20: max bitrate: 1200
17:27:20: buffer size: 1000
17:27:20: quality: 10
17:27:20: ------------------------------------------
17:27:35: Total frames rendered: 415, number of frames that lagged: 110 (26.51%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
17:27:35: =====Stream End: 2013-06-18, 17:27:35=================================================
17:28:47: =====Stream Start: 2013-06-18, 17:28:47===============================================
17:28:47: Multithreaded optimizations: On
17:28:47: Base resolution: 1360x768
17:28:47: Output resolution: 1360x768
17:28:47: ------------------------------------------
17:28:47: Loading up D3D10...
17:28:47: Playback device Default
17:28:47: ------------------------------------------
17:28:47: Using desktop audio input: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
17:28:47: ------------------------------------------
17:28:47: Using auxilary audio input: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
17:28:47: ------------------------------------------
17:28:47: Audio Encoding: AAC
17:28:47: bitrate: 96
17:28:47: Using Window Capture
17:28:47: ------------------------------------------
17:28:47: Video Encoding: x264
17:28:47: fps: 30
17:28:47: width: 1360, height: 768
17:28:47: preset: veryfast
17:28:47: CBR: no
17:28:47: CFR: no
17:28:47: max bitrate: 1200
17:28:47: buffer size: 1000
17:28:47: quality: 10
17:28:47: ------------------------------------------
17:28:49: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
17:28:49: Server selection: rtmp://live-iad.justin.tv/app
17:28:51: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
17:28:51: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
17:42:25: Total frames rendered: 20462, number of frames that lagged: 10482 (51.23%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
17:42:25: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Aborting due to bStopping
17:42:25: Number of times waited to send: 0, Waited for a total of 0 bytes
17:42:25: Number of b-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Number of p-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Total 0 (0%)
17:42:25: =====Stream End: 2013-06-18, 17:42:25=================================================
18:15:45: =====Stream Start: 2013-06-18, 18:15:45===============================================
18:15:45: Multithreaded optimizations: On
18:15:45: Base resolution: 1360x768
18:15:45: Output resolution: 1360x768
18:15:45: ------------------------------------------
18:15:45: Loading up D3D10...
18:15:45: Playback device Default
18:15:45: ------------------------------------------
18:15:45: Using desktop audio input: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
18:15:45: ------------------------------------------
18:15:45: Using auxilary audio input: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
18:15:45: ------------------------------------------
18:15:45: Audio Encoding: AAC
18:15:45: bitrate: 96
18:15:45: Using Window Capture
18:15:45: ------------------------------------------
18:15:45: Video Encoding: x264
18:15:45: fps: 30
18:15:45: width: 1360, height: 768
18:15:45: preset: veryfast
18:15:45: CBR: no
18:15:45: CFR: no
18:15:45: max bitrate: 1200
18:15:45: buffer size: 1000
18:15:45: quality: 10
18:15:45: ------------------------------------------
18:15:48: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
18:15:48: Server selection: rtmp://live-iad.justin.tv/app
18:15:48: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
18:15:48: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
18:26:52: Total frames rendered: 6606, number of frames that lagged: 6593 (99.80%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
18:26:52: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Aborting due to bStopping
18:26:52: Number of times waited to send: 0, Waited for a total of 0 bytes
18:26:52: Number of b-frames dropped: 43 (0.66%), Number of p-frames dropped: 75 (1.2%), Total 118 (1.8%)
18:26:53: =====Stream End: 2013-06-18, 18:26:53=================================================
18:27:23: =====Stream Start: 2013-06-18, 18:27:23===============================================
18:27:23: Multithreaded optimizations: On
18:27:23: Base resolution: 1360x768
18:27:23: Output resolution: 1360x768
18:27:23: ------------------------------------------
18:27:23: Loading up D3D10...
18:27:23: Playback device Default
18:27:23: ------------------------------------------
18:27:23: Using desktop audio input: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
18:27:23: ------------------------------------------
18:27:23: Using auxilary audio input: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
18:27:23: ------------------------------------------
18:27:23: Audio Encoding: AAC
18:27:23: bitrate: 96
18:27:23: Using Window Capture
18:27:23: ------------------------------------------
18:27:23: Video Encoding: x264
18:27:23: fps: 25
18:27:23: width: 1360, height: 768
18:27:23: preset: veryfast
18:27:23: CBR: no
18:27:23: CFR: no
18:27:23: max bitrate: 1500
18:27:23: buffer size: 1000
18:27:23: quality: 10
18:27:23: ------------------------------------------
18:27:26: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
18:27:26: Server selection: rtmp://live-iad.justin.tv/app
18:27:26: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
18:27:26: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
18:33:32: Total frames rendered: 4600, number of frames that lagged: 4544 (98.78%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
18:33:32: RTMPPublisher::SocketLoop: Aborting due to bStopping
18:33:32: Number of times waited to send: 0, Waited for a total of 0 bytes
18:33:32: Number of b-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Number of p-frames dropped: 0 (0%), Total 0 (0%)
18:33:32: =====Stream End: 2013-06-18, 18:33:32=================================================
18:33:52: =====Stream Start: 2013-06-18, 18:33:52===============================================
18:33:52: Multithreaded optimizations: On
18:33:52: Base resolution: 1360x768
18:33:52: Output resolution: 1360x768
18:33:52: ------------------------------------------
18:33:52: Loading up D3D10...
18:33:52: Playback device Default
18:33:52: ------------------------------------------
18:33:52: Using desktop audio input: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
18:33:52: ------------------------------------------
18:33:52: Using auxilary audio input: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
18:33:52: ------------------------------------------
18:33:52: Audio Encoding: AAC
18:33:52: bitrate: 96
18:33:52: Using graphics capture
18:33:52: ------------------------------------------
18:33:52: Video Encoding: x264
18:33:52: fps: 25
18:33:52: width: 1360, height: 768
18:33:52: preset: veryfast
18:33:52: CBR: no
18:33:52: CFR: no
18:33:52: max bitrate: 1500
18:33:52: buffer size: 1000
18:33:52: quality: 10
18:33:52: ------------------------------------------
Warning -- D3D10Texture::CreateFromSharedHandle: Failed to open shared handle, result = 0x8007000E
Warning -- SharedTexCapture::Init: Could not create shared texture
18:34:17: Total frames rendered: 619, number of frames that lagged: 35 (5.65%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
18:34:18: =====Stream End: 2013-06-18, 18:34:18=================================================
18:34:18: =====Stream Start: 2013-06-18, 18:34:18===============================================
18:34:18: Multithreaded optimizations: On
18:34:18: Base resolution: 1360x768
18:34:18: Output resolution: 1360x768
18:34:18: ------------------------------------------
18:34:18: Loading up D3D10...
18:34:18: Playback device Default
18:34:18: ------------------------------------------
18:34:18: Using desktop audio input: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
18:34:18: ------------------------------------------
18:34:18: Using auxilary audio input: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
18:34:18: ------------------------------------------
18:34:18: Audio Encoding: AAC
18:34:18: bitrate: 96
18:34:18: Using graphics capture
18:34:18: ------------------------------------------
18:34:18: Video Encoding: x264
18:34:18: fps: 25
18:34:18: width: 1360, height: 768
18:34:18: preset: veryfast
18:34:18: CBR: no
18:34:18: CFR: no
18:34:18: max bitrate: 1500
18:34:18: buffer size: 1000
18:34:18: quality: 10
18:34:18: ------------------------------------------
18:34:20: Total frames rendered: 36, number of frames that lagged: 1 (2.78%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
18:34:20: =====Stream End: 2013-06-18, 18:34:20=================================================
18:34:30:
18:34:30: Profiler results:
18:34:30:
18:34:30: ==============================================================
18:34:30: frame - [100%] [avg time: 52.994 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 96.5%] [unaccounted: 3.51%]
18:34:30: | scene->Preprocess - [47.9%] [avg time: 25.398 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1]
18:34:30: | video encoding and uploading - [48.6%] [avg time: 25.735 ms] [avg calls per frame: 1] [children: 48.3%] [unaccounted: 0.287%]
18:34:30: | | CopyResource - [23.3%] [avg time: 12.322 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
18:34:30: | | conversion to 4:2:0 - [0.917%] [avg time: 0.486 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
18:34:30: | | call to encoder - [23.8%] [avg time: 12.616 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
18:34:30: | | sending stuff out - [0.3%] [avg time: 0.159 ms] [avg calls per frame: 0]
18:34:30: ==============================================================
18:34:30:
 
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itzryan

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My fps seems to be good in game, however, I lag, a sort of choppy lag. Viewers say it is also choppy. Any suggestions?
 
dodgepong

dodgepong

Administrator
Community Helper
Try enabling Aero and seeing if that helps at all.

That is an old GPU, so actually don't bother trying to use Game capture on it. Only try Window capture, and make sure Aero is enabled for it.

If that doesn't help at all, it might just be a case of your CPU being slow. Try downscaling it by at least 2x and change your x264 preset to superfast or ultrafast.
 
Krazy

Krazy

Town drunk
Window Capture with Aero enabled uses the GPU as well. I suspect you may have better results with Aero disabled, actually.
 
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itzryan

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Ok so last night, I was streaming, after messing with my settings. The stream was good, no lag on my end, or on the stream. However, I had 100% CPU Usage, which I know can not be good for my CPU. After streaming for like 30 minutes, my computer turned off and wouldn't turn back on until I let it rest for a minute or two. I'm guessing that its my CPU just overheating from being at 100% usage. Is this a good assumption? Or, do you think it is something else. Here are the settings I used last night.

00:45:58: Open Broadcaster Software v0.522b - 32bit (´・ω・｀)
00:45:58: -------------------------------
00:45:58: CPU Name: AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 635 Processor
00:45:58: CPU Speed: 2916MHz
00:45:58: Physical Memory: 4093MB Total, 2092MB Free
00:45:58: stepping id: 3, model 5, family 15, type 0, extmodel 8, extfamily 0, HTT 1, logical cores 4, total cores 4
00:45:58: monitor 1: pos={0, 0}, size={1360, 768}
00:45:58: Windows Version: 6.1 Build 7601 S
00:45:58: Aero is Disabled
00:45:58: -------------------------------
00:45:58: OBS Modules:
00:45:58: Base Address Module
00:45:58: 00010000 OBS.exe
00:45:58: 61200000 OBSApi.dll
00:45:58: 68F20000 DShowPlugin.dll
00:45:58: 69A00000 GraphicsCapture.dll
00:45:58: 68F00000 NoiseGate.dll
00:45:58: ------------------------------------------
00:45:58: Adapter 1
00:45:58: Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250
00:45:58: Video Adapter Dedicated Video Memory: 1054408704
00:45:58: Video Adapter Shared System Memory: 1877766144
00:45:58: =====Stream Start: 2013-06-19, 00:45:58===============================================
00:45:58: Multithreaded optimizations: On
00:45:58: Base resolution: 1360x768
00:45:58: Output resolution: 1360x768
00:45:58: ------------------------------------------
00:45:58: Loading up D3D10...
00:45:58: Playback device Default
00:45:58: ------------------------------------------
00:45:58: Using desktop audio input: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
00:45:58: ------------------------------------------
00:45:58: Using auxilary audio input: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
00:45:58: ------------------------------------------
00:45:58: Audio Encoding: AAC
00:45:58: bitrate: 96
00:45:58: Using Window Capture
00:45:58: ------------------------------------------
00:45:58: Video Encoding: x264
00:45:58: fps: 25
00:45:58: width: 1360, height: 768
00:45:58: preset: ultrafast
00:45:58: CBR: no
00:45:58: CFR: no
00:45:58: max bitrate: 1800
00:45:58: buffer size: 1800
00:45:58: quality: 10
00:45:58: ------------------------------------------
00:46:00: Total frames rendered: 33, number of frames that lagged: 21 (63.64%) (it's okay for some frames to lag)
00:46:00: =====Stream End: 2013-06-19, 00:46:00=================================================
00:46:11: =====Stream Start: 2013-06-19, 00:46:11===============================================
00:46:11: Multithreaded optimizations: On
00:46:11: Base resolution: 1360x768
00:46:11: Output resolution: 1360x768
00:46:11: ------------------------------------------
00:46:11: Loading up D3D10...
00:46:12: Playback device Default
00:46:12: ------------------------------------------
00:46:12: Using desktop audio input: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
00:46:12: ------------------------------------------
00:46:12: Using auxilary audio input: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
00:46:12: ------------------------------------------
00:46:12: Audio Encoding: AAC
00:46:12: bitrate: 96
00:46:12: Using Window Capture
00:46:12: ------------------------------------------
00:46:12: Video Encoding: x264
00:46:12: fps: 25
00:46:12: width: 1360, height: 768
00:46:12: preset: ultrafast
00:46:12: CBR: no
00:46:12: CFR: no
00:46:12: max bitrate: 1800
00:46:12: buffer size: 1800
00:46:12: quality: 10
00:46:12: ------------------------------------------
00:46:13: Using RTMP service: Twitch / Justin.tv
00:46:13: Server selection: rtmp://live-iad.justin.tv/app
00:46:14: SO_SNDBUF was at 8192
00:46:14: SO_SNDBUF is now 65536
00:46:32: Using bitmap image
 
dodgepong

dodgepong

Administrator
Community Helper
That CPU is clearly not great. I recommend downscaling by at least 2x but it will still be struggling.
 
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itzryan

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Yeah it happened again today, streaming fine, then boom, computer just turns off. . .Sad thing is, I used to stream all the time perfectly, and have 100+ Fps. . . now when I stream, I barely have 30. I'm not sure whats gone wrong or what has changed. . .But something has :(
 
Krazy

Krazy

Town drunk
Shutting off like that is a pretty clear indicator of your CPU overheating. Clean out your case, dust off all your fans, maybe re-apply thermal paste if you know how. Next time you stream you need to watch your CPU temps.
 
FerretBomb

FerretBomb

Active Member
Definitely keep an eye on your temps; sounds like an overheat and an emergency thermal shutdown to prevent the CPU from (literally!) melting and catching on fire. Which, even with the safety there, is still VERY bad to do, much less repeatedly.

Part of my standard streaming setup is to keep ASUS Probe (temps), Task Manager (performance tab to watch CPU load and memory usage), and GPU-Z (video card temp/load/volts/fan/etc info) right next to my clock widget and OBS on the second monitor. Can see at a glance if there are any issues occurring.

I'd second the clean-out though. Canned air, get all the dust out of the fans, case, heatsinks and so on. Check for fan operation. A lot of people will never clean their systems out, and it can REALLY affect temps, performance, and system longevity to blow out all the dust twice a year (more in dusty environments, or with poor airpath design like more exhaust fans than intake fans on the case).
 
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